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Post by LankyLefty17 on Jul 26, 2018 21:50:59 GMT
The Cow Palace match wasn't good, and it was a bad way to blow off the feud (for now, they left plenty of hints that they want to go back to it at some point). The match was a danger spot fest that lacked ring psychology and the build seemed oddly flat given the length of build on the program. For over a year build, I didnt think the match paid off. To be honest, their first match at Supercard was better. I see your point, but I kinda disagree. What I love about New Japan is the variety of styles that you can see from match to match. An Ishii/Suzuki slug fest is different from an indy style Juice/Jay White match which is different from a ZSJ ground match which feels different than an Omega/Bucks fast paced spot match. WWE gets really boring because everyone wrestles the same. At times I feel the same about All Japan (though admittedly I don't watch that often so that could be an incorrect assessment). New Japan showcases a variety of different ways to work a match.
I do think the "North American Expansion" has put pressure on them to adopt more of an American style, and maybe that's influencing the Tonga angle, but I still think the product as a whole is a good time.
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Post by Spunk on Jul 26, 2018 22:16:00 GMT
Bet y'all would've hated 80s All Japan so much lol. Nah, Choshu's Ishingun was some of my favorite stuff and Baba's booking was always building to something interesting. People love the 90's stuff, but the 80's with Choshu, Tenryu, Yatsu, Jumbo and the assorted gaijin was all legitimately awesome. The draws and count outs all helped to build tension and keep top guys from taking definitive falls, to save it for bigger matches. Right now they're doing what should essentially be done on a lesser tour like they used to do (stuff like when Yano debuted his drunk getting DQ'd gimmick) to get an angle over in multiple areas before moving forward with it on television. It's a good idea to debut new ideas during the G1, with Naito turning "ingobernable" during the G1 legitimately helped him to become a top guy in the promotion finally, but right now they're pushing the Bullet Club split and Jay White finally understanding what being a heel is at the same time and it's sort of... Too much? Never mind the fact that it feels like it probably won't go anywhere interesting, at least the Bullet Club one, because they've yet to do anything of value with any of the Bullet Club angles to date. Well, they used to use the junior division to be a different style, but now the junior style and the heavyweight style are essentially the same. That's fine, wrestling evolves, but I'd argue that there isn't all that much in the way of different styles anymore. A guy like YOSHI-HASHI is just trying to keep up with a workrate heavy style even though he kinda sucks at it. I do agree that they have people capable of doing other stuff. Suzuki works a more classic, shoot-style, Ishii works a modified Choshu strong style, ZSJ has evolved from World of Sport goofery to a really good hybrid style, while Okada, Naito and Tanahashi work probably what the modern strong style is. They're dragged into workrate matches a lot, which is fine in moderation, but I'd like to see them not do that all of the damned time. Last year's Ibushi/Naito was just so unpalatable to me. I'll say this, Naito has been looking great this year. |
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Post by ninjabrute on Jul 27, 2018 0:11:41 GMT
Maybe the last few G1s have been so good that it's innevitable that one year will be disappointing. They can't keep getting better every time. It could just be NJPW burnout though, because I haven't watched anything past night 2 and I'm gonna have a really hard time doing so before the finals (not because of time, I just don't really feel motivated to watch). I may end up just watching the decision matches and the final. It's a shame too because this time last year I was extremely excited to follow every event.
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Post by unimportantguy on Jul 27, 2018 1:50:00 GMT
I do agree that the Cody/Kenny match was not as good as I felt it should've been. In the building, I felt like we might just all be a bit burned out from how hard we freaked out over Juice/Jay (MotN in my eyes) and Hiromu/Dragon, but watching it back again a few days later, it just wasn't as good a match and the ladder stuff just took away from the match for me. Omega has wonderful chemistry with a number of dudes (Naito, Okada, Ishii, YTR, and Goto all come to mind), but his work with Cody has mostly been misses for me.
As far as the G1, I'm a bit behind (Just watched Omega/Goto), but it's mostly been good shit for me so far. Even Makabe has surprised me with some really exciting work. The Tama DQ stuff is what it is, but as long as it actually goes somewhere, I don't mind it.
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Post by thelodger on Jul 27, 2018 8:15:02 GMT
I like the story with Sanada this G1, which appears to be "Sanada does his homework." That Ishii/ZSJ match stole the show!
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Post by jzbadblood on Jul 27, 2018 19:46:33 GMT
I’m happy with New Japan right now expect the Firing Squad DQ after DQ nonsense. I’ve never been a huge Bullet Club guy to begin though to be honest. I like most of the guys in Bullet Club, but the group is an internet smark circle jerk. I went to Global Wars last year and the main event was basically no wrestling all taunting and the audience frothing at the mouth over Kenny and Cody.
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Post by kikrusher99 on Jul 28, 2018 0:04:25 GMT
Okada vs YOSHI-HASHI was fucking fantastic!!
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Post by Jam Up Guy on Jul 29, 2018 6:15:02 GMT
Ishii vs. Ibushi was insane. Maybe my favorite match of the G1 so far.
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Post by dudecactus on Jul 29, 2018 6:19:34 GMT
Yeah I really liked Ishii vs Ibushi.
But I also liked Goto vs Ishii.
And SANADA vs Zack Sabre Jr.
Those are probably some of the higher ranked matches.
But to be honest outside of the DQ finishes, the G1 I felt has been solid.
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Post by Spunk on Jul 29, 2018 9:37:13 GMT
Yeah, Ishii/Ibushi, SANADA/ZSJ and probably Yano/Ishii stick out as my favorites this year.
Very easy to say that Ishii is the MVP right now with SANADA, ZSJ and Yano behind him.
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Post by Rangerh on Jul 29, 2018 15:25:44 GMT
I find it interesting that on any wrestling boards i read, mostly everyone is recognizing Ishii as one of the best wrestler of that G1.
It looks like with the western NJPW fans he's really going over.
I have no idea how he is recieved in Japan by the NJPW fans there, but i hope he's getting a similar amount of praise, because it's really time NJPW gives the Stone Pitbull a serious and deserved push after so many years of being excellent.l !
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Post by wakigatame on Jul 29, 2018 23:09:21 GMT
I find it interesting that on any wrestling boards i read, mostly everyone is recognizing Ishii as one of the best wrestler of that G1. It looks like with the western NJPW fans he's really going over. I have no idea how he is recieved in Japan by the NJPW fans there, but i hope he's getting a similar amount of praise, because it's really time NJPW gives the Stone Pitbull a serious and deserved push after so many years of being excellent.l ! Ishii's been popular with the western fans ever since the NJ shows became available to westerners. As for a serious push, well...yeah that NEVER Title thing in 2014-2015 is as close as our boy's gonna get. Not tall/pretty/young/shitty/white (take your pick) enough for Gedo to put a big title on. |
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Post by wakigatame on Jul 29, 2018 23:09:38 GMT
Also Yano/Ishii fucking ruled.
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Post by Spunk on Jul 30, 2018 1:27:48 GMT
I find it interesting that on any wrestling boards i read, mostly everyone is recognizing Ishii as one of the best wrestler of that G1. It looks like with the western NJPW fans he's really going over. I have no idea how he is recieved in Japan by the NJPW fans there, but i hope he's getting a similar amount of praise, because it's really time NJPW gives the Stone Pitbull a serious and deserved push after so many years of being excellent.l ! Ishii's been popular with the western fans ever since the NJ shows became available to westerners. As for a serious push, well...yeah that NEVER Title thing in 2014-2015 is as close as our boy's gonna get. Not tall/pretty/young/shitty/white (take your pick) enough for Gedo to put a big title on. A big part of it is the weird, old school mentality that they have. He wasn't a dojo boy of theirs and only joined in 2004 because of Choshu's ties to the company. He's also, yeah, not tall, not pretty and not ripped. I feel like he made that NEVER title mean something and I'm ready for another run with it. He'll never get the IWGP strap, which is kinda fine because I don't really need to see him wrapped up in Bullet Club bullshit or whatever else is going on at the top of NJPW's cards right now. |
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Post by wakigatame on Jul 30, 2018 2:54:31 GMT
Ishii's been popular with the western fans ever since the NJ shows became available to westerners. As for a serious push, well...yeah that NEVER Title thing in 2014-2015 is as close as our boy's gonna get. Not tall/pretty/young/shitty/white (take your pick) enough for Gedo to put a big title on. A big part of it is the weird, old school mentality that they have. He wasn't a dojo boy of theirs and only joined in 2004 because of Choshu's ties to the company. He's also, yeah, not tall, not pretty and not ripped. I feel like he made that NEVER title mean something and I'm ready for another run with it. He'll never get the IWGP strap, which is kinda fine because I don't really need to see him wrapped up in Bullet Club bullshit or whatever else is going on at the top of NJPW's cards right now. I 100% agree that he's the one who made the NEVER Title. |
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