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Post by view619 on Sept 28, 2018 3:51:47 GMT
So, to clarify something: is it that the mods using the EXISTING framework can't work/be adapted to the new game build, or that the new build makes it impossible to mod the game, EVER? It's just a lot of work compared to the previous code base. I'm sure someone could mod for the latest build, but it would be much harder as a lot of the core methods that were used to set-up matches (for example) have changed significantly; a lot of Carl's old tutorial videos would be inaccurate in many areas as well. It's not impossible, but if you're starting modding with 2.0 you'll probably have a pretty rough time of it; not to say it wasn't rough for Carl and the others when they started back in Early Access. |
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Post by Sooj on Sept 28, 2018 3:56:08 GMT
Ooof. What a sad day. And a bittersweet update. Is there any reasonable expectation that Spike could reverse this if we made it known that this is the consequence of their changes? Probably not.... Is there anyway to bring this to their attention? Mods and all that this community has SPECIFICALLY done have basically reinvigorated Fire Pro. I’m hating to see things turn out this way - and I think Spike can do a fair bit on their part to welcome the community as a whole back into the fold. This 1.02 / 2.00 split is utterly ridiculous - I never thought I’d see a community as diverse and well-meaning as this one split by a bunch of version numbers. Losing View and Carl because of this update just isn’t worth it - I wrote a review last year praising Spike for listening to their fans and re-introducing the S-1 mode. This is a series built on the backs of fans’ work - used to be edits (glorious things that meant Fire Pro was always up to date in a sense), and now it’s game-changing mods. Even Phil Parent - a name I used to read in FPR guides as one of THE guys - is gone. C-Drive, too. Sorry for the diatribe but I’m just bummed out. Is there anything that I - as one part of this webpage I never missed checking out on - can do to let Spike know they need more than a DLC pack to fix this admittedly tricky situation? |
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Post by IamAres on Sept 28, 2018 4:02:40 GMT
I don't foresee any situation at all where Spike decides to change BACK to the old build (which, as I understand, Director hated) so people can more easily do things to the game that Spike has no intention of having them do.
I do hope someone with some programming skills decides to do work with 2.0 and see what's actually possible...I'd really hate to permanently lose something like the Move Lists mod, especially as a result of getting a plethora of really well-animated moves.
Some of this seems a bit knee-jerky to me, given that the new build has been out like, a day....
Maybe I'll look into developing this skillset myself, but I have zero programming experience. I wouldn't even know where to start.
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Post by Sooj on Sept 28, 2018 4:23:16 GMT
Sigh
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Post by view619 on Sept 28, 2018 4:27:19 GMT
I don't foresee any situation at all where Spike decides to change BACK to the old build (which, as I understand, Director hated) so people can more easily do things to the game that Spike has no intention of having them do.
I do hope someone with some programming skills decides to do work with 2.0 and see what's actually possible...I'd really hate to permanently lose something like the Move Lists mod, especially as a result of getting a plethora of really well-animated moves.
Some of this seems a bit knee-jerky to me, given that the new build has been out like, a day....
Maybe I'll look into developing this skillset myself, but I have zero programming experience. I wouldn't even know where to start.
Nah, when you look at your code and see hundreds of errors, then check the underlying methods and see that they've either been removed or modified to a point where just making code changes won't work, you have to question whether the additional work to fix everything is worthwhile. Definitely not knee-jerk at all, if you have enough time to look at your code base and are familiar enough with it (and the changes you've had to make in the past) it's not difficult to evaluate. That's not even my code, the Mod Suite alone is a monster that I wouldn't want to touch after seeing how some of these changes affect basic stuff like setting two wrestlers to start a match. I mean, it's a risk we take when working on a game that hasn't been updated in months; most of the old modders left during Early Access because the game was constantly changing. But that's one of the reasons why a back-up solution was provided in the event that this happened, and it's available to everyone. |
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Post by IamAres on Sept 28, 2018 4:48:37 GMT
I get that starting over - with anything, let alone when you're this deep into something - is brutal. It just seems like some folks have made the decision pretty quickly to say "well, never gonna mod for the current version of the game ever again, bye."
I can't fault anyone for not wanting to start over, I suppose. I guess I'm just surprised no one even seems to be considering it. It seems to have become very binary, right now; you go that way, forever, and have that, or you go this way, and have this. In the long run, even if it takes a long time, it would be a much better situation if a way could be found to have both.
It doesn't help that Carl, as much as he did do for this game, has spent the last however-long saying "fuck Spike, only I made their worthless game playable, I hope it fails, and I'll never support it again"-type stuff.
I'd understand it much more if he'd just said "I can't start over; I'm gonna bow out." Which, to be fair, seemed to be his stance at one point. It just turned so angry at some point.
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Post by zin5ki on Sept 28, 2018 7:52:41 GMT
If I may ask at this juncture, is there a way to downgrade your Fire Pro installation using Steam?
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Post by view619 on Sept 28, 2018 12:48:09 GMT
Check Carl's mod suite discord server for information on rolling back and everything else. A lot of people are going through the process at the moment.
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Post by johndamien on Sept 29, 2018 10:15:08 GMT
It doesn't help that Carl, as much as he did do for this game, has spent the last however-long saying "fuck Spike, only I made their worthless game playable, I hope it fails, and I'll never support it again"-type stuff. Really? Well that is just stupid. Yes, his mods made the game a bit better. But he did not make a "worthless game playable". The game is still an absolute great game without his mods. Thats why i bought the dlc. I rather have the New Japan Guys and the story mode than his mods. This is just a toxic behaviour. But seeing his first post and this, sorry, stupid quote "I just don't want to interact with that segment of the community at this point". Well that is toxic as well. And sorry, i loved his mods. But with someone so toxic and so bitter, i am glad that i bought the DLC. |
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Post by pyrodean on Sept 29, 2018 12:56:45 GMT
Crap! I should have came here first before I updated the game. Is there a way to set the game back to the previous version? I saw nothing in the DLC that was as good as the mods.
EDIT: Nvm, my answer is right above this post lol.
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Post by view619 on Sept 29, 2018 12:58:26 GMT
Mod Suite Testing Discord Server has all the answers.
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Post by invader3k on Sept 29, 2018 14:04:04 GMT
Wow, this is terrible news. Losing both Free Cam view and the ability to turn off rest holds is a major downgrade, not to mention everything else that has been lost. The only thing I really care about losing is the rest hold settings in the mods. Having a match end with a chinlock after and epic encounter is pretty lame. Spike should be able to implement a setting where submissions only work as a finisher or special, if they really wanted to. |
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Post by LEVEL on Sept 29, 2018 18:16:15 GMT
I think everyone should just be comfortable with the decisions that everyone else has made. It's absolutely Spike's right to change the game how they see fit, but to do so and not communicate with their own community isn't really good customer service. People have to do what's best for them, and it costs us nothing to respect that. Even if we don't like how they say it or whatever... This situation means different things to all of us. For some this means rolling back their version of the game, for others, this means continuing to update. Still, others are doing both. I bought multiple copies of the game on both PC and PS4 just because I wanted to support this game that has brought me so much enjoyment since I first discovered it over a decade ago. So I will have an updated version of the game and a modded version. I don't think it's a premature decision for any of the modders to decide not to update. I know I would have no interest in trying to fix 900 errors in my free time when I didn't have to. But everything is relative, and I'm sure eventually someone else will consider it. But for now things are what they are, we should just move on and enjoy the game no matter what side of things we fall on.
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Post by Spunk on Sept 29, 2018 19:32:18 GMT
I get that starting over - with anything, let alone when you're this deep into something - is brutal. It just seems like some folks have made the decision pretty quickly to say "well, never gonna mod for the current version of the game ever again, bye." I can't fault anyone for not wanting to start over, I suppose. I guess I'm just surprised no one even seems to be considering it. It seems to have become very binary, right now; you go that way, forever, and have that, or you go this way, and have this. In the long run, even if it takes a long time, it would be a much better situation if a way could be found to have both. It doesn't help that Carl, as much as he did do for this game, has spent the last however-long saying "fuck Spike, only I made their worthless game playable, I hope it fails, and I'll never support it again"-type stuff. I'd understand it much more if he'd just said "I can't start over; I'm gonna bow out." Which, to be fair, seemed to be his stance at one point. It just turned so angry at some point. I'm not gonna defend Carl here, because he said some pretty blunt stuff. He always does and always has. That's just who he is. He's also a guy that is pretty emotional and doesn't mean most of it. I feel like most of us know that by now, right? I get that some people really just wanna blame him for a lot of stuff and drag him through the mud more, but c'mon. I remember him saying "Fuck Spike, I won't give them another dime," then the DLC dropped and he bought it and said "If the mod suite moves forward you need the DLC. Period." I can't blame him for being pissed off because of how many people contact him directly with hate, vitriol or demands of tech support, which is why he always had to make bold I WILL NOT HELP YOU statements, although, realistically, he helped dozens and dozens of people. I remember him taking a few hours to help someone out via Discord. Hopefully someone has a mod solution for 2.0, but for right now, I don't blame people like Carl, View, etc. that don't want to spend dozens of hours trying to rebuild stuff they've already built and now just doesn't work. |
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Post by nashvillelou on Sept 30, 2018 0:06:40 GMT
Wow, this is terrible news. Losing both Free Cam view and the ability to turn off rest holds is a major downgrade, not to mention everything else that has been lost. The only thing I really care about losing is the rest hold settings in the mods. Having a match end with a chinlock after and epic encounter is pretty lame. Spike should be able to implement a setting where submissions only work as a finisher or special, if they really wanted to. If I could get only one thing back, it would be the No Rest Hold Submissions mod. I don't even feel like simming matches anymore without that.
If I have to retire from using Free Cam mode, so be it. Fun while it lasted. But seeing, say, Hulk Hogan & Ultimate Warrior vs. Road Warriors go 35 minutes and end in a submission to a brief chin lock is a real let-down.
As great as some of the updates are, losing the mods that really made this iteration of Fire Pro special is a major disappointment. |
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