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Post by wakigatame on Aug 4, 2018 4:27:26 GMT
BJWCore isn't worth it. IT's basically just a streaming platform for their DVD releases and some of the nicovideo shows. DDTUniverse, on the other hand, has the backing of Samurai TV so you get a ton of archival footage and a shit ton of live shows too. Eh? Isn't that sort of enough? BJWCore takes a while for some of the bigger shows, but it's well worth grabbing and always has their good stuff. I dunno, if you aren't super into BJW then no, probably not worth it, but otherwise I'm fine with it. I'd cancel NJPW World before I'd ever let BJWCore go. I'd like to have more than just a couple of years' worth of shows, especially when you compare the amount of content you're getting for the price to something like DDT Universe. |
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Post by Spunk on Aug 4, 2018 4:48:26 GMT
Eh? Isn't that sort of enough? BJWCore takes a while for some of the bigger shows, but it's well worth grabbing and always has their good stuff. I dunno, if you aren't super into BJW then no, probably not worth it, but otherwise I'm fine with it. I'd cancel NJPW World before I'd ever let BJWCore go. I'd like to have more than just a couple of years' worth of shows, especially when you compare the amount of content you're getting for the price to something like DDT Universe. Eh, I held off on DDT Universe for ages because they didn't have the early stuff that I wanted. They still don't, but I still sub to them because why not. |
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Post by Rangerh on Aug 15, 2018 12:22:15 GMT
A fan tribute to the whole Golden Lovers tag team that endured through time : www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Y4AT59CyMInteresting how their storyline have been kept through various promotions. |
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Post by desertpunk34 on Sept 16, 2018 1:11:53 GMT
Mr.Gannosuke clean shaved with short hair.  |
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Post by Spunk on Sept 20, 2018 1:34:04 GMT
Mr.Gannosuke clean shaved with short hair. That is an entirely different human being. My god. |
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Post by Jam Up Guy on Oct 2, 2018 21:42:20 GMT
The new member of R.E.D was revealed at the latest Dragon Gate show |
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Post by Hal on Oct 3, 2018 23:11:17 GMT
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Post by rollinsphan on Oct 7, 2018 6:57:15 GMT
The new member of R.E.D was revealed at the latest Dragon Gate show
Glad to see REDACTED in a promotion that will use REDACTED right.
I'm going to bet that Shingo will be the new LIJ member that Naito's been teasing.
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Post by Spunk on Oct 7, 2018 19:35:57 GMT
The new member of R.E.D was revealed at the latest Dragon Gate show
Glad to see REDACTED in a promotion that will use REDACTED right.
I'm going to bet that Shingo will be the new LIJ member that Naito's been teasing.
At this point it would probably be better for him to work elsewhere. DG has felt a bit stale of late and Shingo's Champion's Carnival run this year was really great. I'd probably rather see him work in All Japan more, but he'd be a good fit in modern New Japan. |
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Post by rollinsphan on Oct 7, 2018 22:28:20 GMT
I've been a Shingo mark since I first saw him wrestle on ROH's DRAGON GATE CHALLENGE II show from 2008. Then of course during the "supercard" era of DGUSA. I think he'll be a great addition to NJPW's already stacked roster.
Edit: And my prediction (along with many others') came true! Shingo is in NJPW!
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Post by BakFu on Oct 14, 2018 20:47:06 GMT
Hmm, I am sooooo out of touch. Was farting about with FPW on the PS4, was gagging over the price of the season pass (interesting, but more expensive than the game), and happened upon a Yoshihiro Takayama fundraiser edit. I was a bit alarmed thinking did Takayama get himself into some kind of health trouble, then found out he is PARALYZED. How the hell did I not know this? This could have been mentioned on MMA broadcasts with his history, but I didn't know until over a year later! Poor bastard, I've always loved him, a ballsey dude not afraid to take a shit kicking to deal one out. I loved his match with KENTA back in NOAH (don't remember the date, but KENTA looked like the blow up doll Ibushi had matches with in ZST!). Sad news... UPDATE: THIS match. :) Nice, snug potato fest starts around 13:50... Love that old shit! |
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Post by ripper on Oct 29, 2018 15:55:39 GMT
If you were to set-up "eras" for New Japan & All Japan, like WWE's Attitude, New Generation, or Ruthless Agression eras, what would they be, and what would be the time periods for them. I found an old board posting elsewhere where someone suggested this for NJPW-
1972-1980
The Original Inoki/Gaijin Attraction Era
Inoki and big name American stars are giving top priority and the NWA titles are used to draw big at NJPW shows. NJPW does not have it's own titles during this time.
1981-1986
The Tiger Mask/Early IWGP Era
Tiger Mask breaks out as a huge star and draws major attention to the junior heavyweight division for the first time. NJPW establishes the first IWGP tournament, which would later lead to the IWGP championships. Gaijins are still heavily featured (Hulk Hogan won the 1983 heavyweight tournament), but the groundwork is being laid for more Japanese stars getting bigger pushes.
1987-1993
The Vader/Muta Era
IWGP championship titles are established and original Japanese characters start being pushed much more. Vader is an American, but had not done much in the US before breaking out huge as an original Japanese creation. Inoki retires as a regular performer in 1989. Strong style is still king, but more cartoonish characters like Tiger Mask become more common. Jushin "Thunder" Liger debuts. NJPW starts working with WCW. Muta has arguably the best IWGP Heavyweight Championship run ever in 1992/1993.
1994-1996
The Super J Cup/Hashimoto Era
The first Super J Cup is held in 1994 and slew of junior heavyweights gain their greatest exposure. Meanwhile in the heavyweight division Hashimoto is very dominant. Keiji Mutoh drops the Muta character...for now. Masahiro Chono soars as a performer. Strong style starts to fade and storylines are focused on more.
1997-2000
The NWO Invasion Era
Yes, aside from WCW, the NWO also invaded NJPW. NJPW's relationship with WCW is at it's peak. Kensuke Sasaki is also a marquee name winning the IWGP Heavyweight Championship and the G1 Climax in the same year. Chono is huge and even briefly holds the IWGP Heavyweight Championship, his only time ever with that title.
2001-2006
The Dark Days of NJPW Era
Inoki's fascination with MMA gets the best of him. NJPW talent are pressured into having MMA fights often with embarrassing results. The in-ring style is changed to more resemble shoot fights and business plummets. Meanwhile WCW closes and later in the era NJPW begin a relationship with TNA, but TNA is no WCW. Former WWE Champion Brock Lesnar is brought in out of desperation and wins the IWGP Heavyweight Championship. Lesnar only works 7 matches in the year he is there (sound familiar?). Inoki is forced out, forms his own promotion, IGF and Brock leaves with the belt later defending it in the IGF. NJPW tries to set up a dojo in the United States and put on shows, but these endeavors fail. Tatsumi Fujinami who had been with the company since 1972 leaves. Meanwhile there is some hope in Hiroshi Tanahashi who had been building up momentum and wins the NJPW's version of the IWGP Heavyweight Championship in July 2006.
2007-2011
The Tanahashi Era
Business improves and Tanahashi is the face of the company. Junior heavyweights make a comeback in a big way and more and more foreign junior heavyweight talent gets featured. Shinsuke Nakamura becomes a star. Prince Devitt breaks out and wins the Best of the Super Juniors in 2010. Devitt then wins the IWGP Junior Heayvweight Championship for the first time and owns the division. The IWGP Intercontinental Championship debuts with MVP as its first champion. The peak of NJPW's relationship with TNA as there is some talent exchange and parts of the January 4 Dome Show air on Spike TV in the US. At the end of the era NJPW tries further to tap the US market with a brief standalone tour of the US, but shows draw poorly.
2012-Present
The Okada Era
Tanahashi is now firmly the John Cena of NJPW, but Kazuchika Okada defeats him for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship and wins the G1 Cliimax Championship twice. The two have one of the most epic feuds in NJPW history if not the most epic and put on a five star match. AJ Styles becomes the first gaijin to hold the IWGP Heavyweight Championship since Lesnar nearly 10 years earlier. Meanwhile Nakamua works to make the IWGP Intercontinental Championship just as important. NJPW cross promotes with ROH and later re-establishes relations with the NWA.
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But AJPW seems a little harder to define. Using Dynamic A's steam collections, I've come up with-
72 to 84 with Baba on top
84 to 90 with Tsuruta
90 to 93 Misawa & Super Generation Army
93-97 Head drops Head drops Head drops
98-00 Post-NOAH Split
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Any other ideas?
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Post by Hal on Oct 30, 2018 1:08:10 GMT
As some one who seen NJPW profit wise records and tv ratings, the inoki era actually did better. Inoki is blamed with (bookers like uwaii too) for lowering attendances and increasing debts.
While the yukes era cut down on debt.
AJPW post split had a breif Ms.Baba era, the Mutoh Royal Road era, the pro wrestling love era, the Nobuo Era, now the Jun pro wrestling era.
Noah is seperate from AJPW. While 2009 to 2016 is the dark era.
People in Japan combine the NJPW 90's with 1989 era into one. Sometimes removing the late 90s into a sub-separate one.
AJPW 4 devas era or heavenly kings era is most of the 90's to awhile in the year 00's.
You can put the the 70's in one era and the 80's. With AJPW mid 80's under sub section.
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Post by ripper on Oct 30, 2018 11:28:58 GMT
I honestly dug Inoki's MMA fascination. I like Bob Sapp, I used to like Barnette before he worked himself into a shoot, brother-jack-dude. I just didn't like how they kind of murdered Nagata's career for a few years. I'm a pretty big Nagata mark and that was just sad. And, honestly, it never felt that different from Inoki's old school "Different Fight" matches where he brought in all the Sumo, or Sambo guys, or World of Sport, & Tiger Mask.
Yeah, I know NOAH is a separate company, but I just wanted to point out how kind of sad the roster was after Misawa and co. left. AJPW has had a lot of sad days since then. They seem to pick up steam every now and then, but can just never maintain it. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a part of me that said I'd like to see either NJPW buy it and combine rosters or WWE buy it as the ground work for WWE NXT Japan or wtfever.
I can see that. Basically Vader and the 3 Musketeers all as one big era.
Heavenly Kings was actually the term I was trying to remember. 4 Devas sounds even better, and fits in the damn screen easier.
I may leave AJPW split between 70s & 80s. I like the idea of having a (semi) young Baba as the top top dog in one section, and then an almost unbeatable monster Jumbo along with an aging Baba in another. And, of course comedy/tag match old man Baba in the 90s.
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Post by Hal on Oct 30, 2018 16:09:16 GMT
I never had a problem with post split AJPW and they obv had better booking compared to NJPW and Noah before Gedo and Jado took over NJPW. If NTV stuck with AJPW they would had been better off. Also NTV forbade AJPW in getting a new national tv slot when they still used to own a small percent of it post AJPW split. They certainly feared the chance.
A roster of Kojima, Mutoh, Kawada, War guys, Tenryu and Indy guys and and Baba type gaijin (kea) was neat.
The puroresu love era 2005 to pre Nobuo switched to a package pro wrestling era with some more angles and assorted types of wrestlers not trying to conform to the royal road. Nowadays they reverted back to most Baba elements booking wise. There's been lot of great matches recently and they're the last of big men puroresu besides BJW
Nowadays AJPW is at their third ltd. They did shut down the old Baba one because of debts Mutoh raised but they did break even a lot. Nobuo created the second AJPW ltd or inc but shut it down when he sold the signs and trademarks to Jun. Fans didn't want Inoki ism in AJPW so that's why Nobuo era bombed even if it wasn't inserted in (different style fights) yet or at all.
Jun's AJPW has little to no debt and is fiscally conservative hence the lack of lot of gaijin and excursions (but lot of indys do this as well) and breaks even.
I consider modern Feds like Noah and ZERO 1 the zombie promotions like treasure island (insider mag) does in Japan. 2009 is the last time Noah made a big profit and then they increased debt over the years and then shut their old LTD down when it went bankrupt. Kobashi show money was only one show.
Zero 1 had to be money marked many times to survive while W-1 is basically only recently making money. Much of that is because downsizing.
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