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Post by WMDBFX on Mar 29, 2020 13:12:53 GMT
Thanks man. Have to rethink my approach then
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 13:59:45 GMT
To be fair, there's not really anything wrong with going all out like that either.
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Post by importANT on Mar 29, 2020 19:39:48 GMT
You could make your edit an alternate gimmick of the wrestlers. That way, you can be as creative as you want :)
Speaking of alternate gimmicks, I have a question: did anyone ever thought about renaming (and perhaps changing their appearance, too) the NJPW and Stardom rosters into fake names like in the old games? To better fit them into the canon?
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Post by Senator Phillips on Mar 29, 2020 19:58:42 GMT
How much changes to an SWA wrestler would you guys consider as ok. They would still have their original name with changes to other aspect. I found myself going nuts and nearly completely ( 80% ) changing Dai Fugo's moveset. His look is completely changed from his golden look. What's your line between tweaking them and creating a completely new edit. I still want people to recognise them but at the same time have my input on them. I'd say it's all up to how you want to use them, for me, I want to keep one attire that's largely close to the default, then the others, I'll build around whatever theme I've tried to discern from the details of the wrestler and my backstory I made. With the moveset, I try to trend towards keeping them recognizable, but adding in some new twists, probably around a 75% keep to 25% change, aside from the ground categories, which I generally fully overhaul. For you, if your Dai Fugo is vastly different, then that's your own interpretation, and that's all good. Doesn't make it wrong, it makes it yours. That's the beauty of the thing, you can go in a radical new direction with just a sliver of the original, or you can just fix up the existing edits a little bit, but in any case, everyone's going to have their own way of doing it.
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Post by faulknasty on Mar 29, 2020 20:37:10 GMT
Your edit is your edit. You can make any of those edits into what you want. I just suggest if you post it on the workshop mention that it is your own version of it for those who may not be sure. This creation system is all about having your fun with it so have your fun with it.
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Post by faulknasty on Mar 29, 2020 20:41:30 GMT
You could make your edit an alternate gimmick of the wrestlers. That way, you can be as creative as you want :) Speaking of alternate gimmicks, I have a question: did anyone ever thought about renaming (and perhaps changing their appearance, too) the NJPW and Stardom rosters into fake names like in the old games? To better fit them into the canon? This is a thought that's cross my mind but but not to the point where they could be their own corner of the spikeverse cannon that this made me actually think. I think that's fun idea for someone better suited than me. Swap around some parts, pallet swap colors, tweak some movesets and you have two more federations to rival/work with the swa.
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Post by fullMETAL on Mar 29, 2020 22:34:41 GMT
Anyone plan on making the logos for the factions? I know I plan on doing at least a few, but I won't know for sure which ones until I clear up some backlog and actually look through the groups some more.
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Post by WMDBFX on Mar 30, 2020 0:01:47 GMT
Ya this thread inspired me to make up the numbers for my planned roster usibg SWA wrestlers. Knowing me, I got all crazy and only realised that Dai Fugo is not Dai Fugo no more.
Basically at this point it's either a) a tweaked default or b) a new edit using a default's name.
Thanks for the replies.
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Post by Johnny Jett on Mar 30, 2020 2:30:20 GMT
For me--and this has been a long project that I've dabbled with on and off--I've recently began putting a new coat of paint onto the Fire Promoter and SWA rosters and tweaking their stats just a little to make them fit in with my own personal edits. I spent a fairly significant chunk of time making my own wrestling universe to populate Fire Promoter, made sixteen companies, north of 150 wrestlers for it...then I found the Fire Promoter characters on the workshop.
My own companies and edits pretty reasonably comprise a full US wrestling scene, as they were intended to. So what I've been doing is adjusting the Fire Promoter edits a bit to make up more of an international wrestling community. I've kept names a lot of the time and haven't adjusted movesets or logic (yet, I might do that in the future). My main changes to the edits themselves have been to their appearances (which can range from drastic overhauls to slight color adjustments) and their attributes (which I tend to alter to give me shorter matches just in case I decide to record them). The lucha guys get a bigger name overhaul than most. I've basically completely renamed those guys to make their nicknames, in Spanish, their ring names. Americans (who tend to become Canadian or British) might have their names rearranged to make more sense. Nicknames tend to be either deleted, adjusted, or played up depending on how I'm feeling on any particular day.
With New Japan and STARDOM, they're being included under false names with older-style faces to fit in with everyone else. Slight adjustments to ring gear for the most part. Definitely trying to go for an older Fire Pro vibe there.
Organization-wise...most of the Fire Promoter companies will not be making it into my personal canon. Some names will, some rosters will stick together, but I'm using Fire Pro as a guide more than as a mandate. I'm making them fit into my world, not adjusting my world to accommodate them.
As such, the Fire Pro rosters are going to end up split into sixteen new companies for an international Fire Promoter set up. Not sure who's going to end up where for the most part, it's still early, I just know what the companies will end up being. Those companies are as follows.
Anel dos Reis - A Brazillian shoot wrestling company that blends pro wrestling and luta livre. Mostly has the KFS roster. Basically a modernized Telecatch with more vale tudo feel. Azteca Lucha Libre - A Lucharesu company that has risen to the top of the Mexican wrestling dogpile. Not sure exactly which luchadors will end up here yet. Essentially a more Japanese-flavored AAA. British Wrestling Council - The modern revival of the UK's historic wrestling league. I might slot some of the KOG and CWA guys in here. Basically its modern World of Sports with, again, more Japanese influence. Empire Wrestling Federation - The oldest, most popular wrestling company in Japan and the biggest wrestling company in the world. It'll end up having mostly New Japan and STARDOM wrestlers (it promotes a joshi division). Pretty much New Japan with slight WWE tendencies. Pro Wrestling EXODUS - A worked-shoot wrestling splinter group that broke off from the EWF and quickly became the second biggest company in Japan and third largest in the world. EXODUS will have the bulk of the remaining New Japan roster with a few original edits thrown in. It's sort of NOAH disguised as IGF. Golden North Wrestling - Canada's oldest continuous wrestling organization that serves as some kind of hybrid between shoot wrestling and the American showman style. Not sure exactly who will end up here, but ROW and DFW guys are a good shout along with some of the SWA wrestlers (and probably all of the SWA women). I guess kind of sort of not really based on a Stampede Wrestling that survived and had a resurgence? Grenade Pro Wrestling - A Canadian women's wrestling company that serves as the farm league for GNW's women's division. The first survivor from Fire Promoter and it retains its roster from that mode, but with an all-female twist. HAMMERLOCK Pro Wrestling - GNW's British developmental territory. Again, no real idea who will end up here. Kinda sorta thinking of it as Rev Pro right now, but it's fluid enough that it could turn into anything. Imperio Mexicana de Lucha Libre - The oldest, most traditional lucha company in the world, fallen on hard times. The luchadors who don't end up in ALL Mexico will end up here alongside some original edits. Very much CMLL. King of Sport - A big money company that stole wrestlers from EWF and Pure Japan Pro Wrestling into '90s to become, until the rise of EXODUS, the second largest company in Japan, blending Strong Style with American Showman style into the popular King's Road style of wrestling. Any New Japan wrestlers left from EWF and EXODUS will end up here alongside the NCPW and BME guys and possibly a few others. Super World of Sports with a little All Japan in there. Pro Wrestling ONI - A Japanese wrestling-based drama with supernatural elements, directed by Ryuhei Kitamura; an immortal warrior attempts to find a worthy successor to his power, hosting a series of tournaments to see who is worthy of challenging him. An in-universe work of fiction based on an actual in-universe event that secretly happened in the United States and which resulted in basically-Sting teaming up with basically-El Santo and drinking from the Fountain of Youth. I mostly stole the name from Fire Promoter, but a number of the roster members from in-game will be present in this promotion. Definitely not inspired by Lucha Underground. Pure Japan Pro Wrestling - The first company to split off from the EWF (then the Japanese Wrestling Empire) over the EWF's decision to book more and more gaijins. It'll end up featuring more of the JTW roster than anyone, but some NCPW guys might be there, too. Pretty much, it's a very xenophobic All Japan. Queen of Sport - King of Sports' sister company, the leading force in joshi. Definitely gonna get the bulk of the STARDOM roster. It's STARDOM as the continuation of All Japan Women. Shin Mucho Pro Wrestling - A comedy-based lucharesu company based out of Japan. It'll probably end up with some ACE and MPW guys mostly. Very, very much DDT. Supreme Wrestling Association - The modern version of a shoot wrestling governing body that briefly promoted across the US and held undue sway over the athletic commissions...except now it's owned by Cider Gaming, a Chinese online casino company and promotes more varied wrestling content, mostly abroad. The SWA is...I mean, it will retain some of the original roster, but it's also going to have the TFC guys in it. It's kind of like the modern NWA, but also a wrestling kumite. Super Lucha Syndicate - A Puerto Rican offshoot of IMLL that evolved into its own, unique entity after it took in American influences in the '80s. Again, not sure exactly which Fire Promoter edits will be in this one, but I'm leaning toward the SL crew and the BDG guys with some American freelancers thrown in. Definitely this one steals name inspiration from Fire Promoter. It's kinda like WWC if Brody had actually been allowed to become one of the head bookers and with significantly more lucha influence.
So, with my original edits included, that'll end up being 32 full promotions (done to TEW roster specifications because I've got some ridiculous idea that I'll want to port this all to TEW at some point), God knows how many wrestlers, and two saves worth of Fire Promoter stuff. With almost no original Fire Promoter companies preserved. AND I keep toying around with the idea of working in companies/rosters from every single other wrestling game as legends and stuff. AND I might like the idea of personalizing other peoples' edits and companies to add to the ever-expanding multiverse. Forget fine-tuning edits, this is a task that never ends. I just keep finding newer and newer reasons to keep expanding my game roster.
But yeah. That's my rambling done.
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Post by importANT on Apr 2, 2020 17:55:21 GMT
Pro Wrestling ONI - A Japanese wrestling-based drama with supernatural elements, directed by Ryuhei Kitamura; an immortal warrior attempts to find a worthy successor to his power, hosting a series of tournaments to see who is worthy of challenging him. An in-universe work of fiction based on an actual in-universe event that secretly happened in the United States and which resulted in basically-Sting teaming up with basically-El Santo and drinking from the Fountain of Youth. I mostly stole the name from Fire Promoter, but a number of the roster members from in-game will be present in this promotion. Definitely not inspired by Lucha Underground. I would watch that, definitely. Sounds awesome. Seeing your list though made me realise that Fire Promotor has a severe lack of European promotions. It's kinda sad, actually.
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Post by importANT on Apr 12, 2020 22:09:09 GMT
Hey everyone, I hope you're all doing well. Since the quarantine forces us to spend a lot of time at home, I figured that I might as well spend that time creating a small timeline for the SWA. Granted, I only did a few events (like it's creation). Otherwise, this list would be incredibly long. This timeline was heavily inspired by Phil's idea to combine the VWA with the SWA, so you will see a lot of overlap there. Alright, here we go:
1986: The VWA holds a tournament to determine the new number one contender for the VWA Heavyweight Championship. King Slender wins the tournament (despite the best efforts of VWA management) by beating the Amazon in the finals.
The current champion, Giant Panther, came down to the ring, taunting Slender. Slender has enough, and challenges Panther to put the belt on the line right now! Panther, expecting an easy win, agrees. After a grueling battle, Slender manages to beat the champion to become the new VWA Heavyweight Champion. He then went on to defend the belt against notable challengers like Kin Corn Carn and the Amazon for the rest of the year.
1987 - 1989: At the tale end of 1987, a new threat emerges in the form of the VWF. The VWF was a former partner promotion of the VWA who are now deadset on proving that they are superior. Wrestlers from the VWF continue to interfere, but the VWA stands it's ground. This back and forth between both companies continues throughout 1988, until it was decided that one, final match would be the way to finally settle this feud.
The VWA champion King Slender would face VWF champion Great Puma in a champion versus champion match, with the winner receiving both belts. It was a battle of epic proportions, but in the end, King Slender was the winner. However, no one saw coming what happenend afterwards. Starman, the biggest Babyface of the VWA, came down to the ring to celebrate with Slender. They hugged in the ring, and Starman raises Slenders hand in the air. Then, Slender brutally attacks Starman out of nowhere. Great Puma joins in on the attack. The VWA roster tries to interfere, but they are stopped by the VWF wrestlers. Slender then grabs a microphone, declaring that he always hated the VWA and its fans, for holding him back and giving animals like the Amazon more chances than himself. That is why he decided to join the VWF, which he renames into the Human Wrestling Federation. Their new goal now is not to prove that they are superior, but to completely eradicate the VWA!
The war between both companies continues, with the VWA more often than not on the losing end of the battle. But at the beginning of 1989, the VWA got themselves a new leader to rally behind: Fighter Hayabusa, student of the legendary Victory Musashi. Under Hayabusas leadership, the odds shifted in the VWA's favor. It was once again decided that the future of both companies would be determined through a match. The promotion that loses the match will be forced to close it's doors for good.
On March 15th, 1989, at the Iron Slam PPV, King Slender (now going by the name Dick Slender) and Fighter Hayabusa finally faced off. What followed was a spectacular match between both man. But when it looked like that Hayabusa would pick up the win, the VWA was betrayed once again by one of their own. It was Giant Panther, who attacked Hayabusa in a moment where the referee was knocked out. This gave Slender the opportunity to hit Hayabusa with a devastating Backbreaker, and pick up the win. The HWF won. The VWA was no more.
In it's place, the HWA was born.
Rest of 1989 - 1994
What followed was a reign of terror the wrestling world never seen before. Using his position in the company, Slender continuously stacks the odds in his favour in his title matches. This abuse of power allows him to defend the belt against notable challengers like Victory Musashi or Justin Roses, giving him an record breaking title reign of nearly 8 years. That would all change, however, in 1994.
Slenders mental state deteriorated, making more violent than ever. This resulted in Slender killing wrestler Dick Lord in the ring. A young wrestler from Japan named Morio Sumisu, a good friend and tag team partner of Dick Lord, swears revenge against Slender. Despite Slenders efforts to throw Sumisu off his game through mind games (claiming to have also killed Sumisu's mentor, which was not true), Morio defeated Slender to finally end his streak. Unfortunately, Morio's mental health problems drove him to suicide shortly after his win. Slender, meanwhile, went into hiding, but reemerging two years later in WWC.
1995 - 2000: After losing both their champion and one of their most important menbers, the HWA was in a state of disorder. They tried to recover, but never really managed to do so. Over the next five years, the HWA is in a constant state of decline. It got so bad that the company nearly had to file for bankruptcy in 1999.
Enter Spike.
Spike Inc. are the owners of the SWA (Spike Warrior Alliance), a governing body of MMA promotions that include GONGS and would later include BLADE MMA. Seeing the potential in expanding into professional wrestling, Spike bought the company from the previous owners, and renamed it into the SWA (Spike Wrestling Association).
2001 - 2020: Spike's first order of business was to place a new head booker in charge of the company. This would be none other than Fighter Hayabusa, who was forced to retire after his encounter with Slender many, many years ago. Hayabusa quickly went to work.
The SWA began to incorporate more of a blend between the Japanese and American style of wrestling, which proved to be hugely popular. Later, after the closure of BLADE MMA, Spike (who would go on and fuse with another company, Chunsoft) would abandon the MMA world entirely to focus solely in the new SWA. Year after year, the company would continue to grow, until it would finally become one of the biggest promotions in America (and the world). Fighter Hayabusa's connection to Japan would allow them to form a good relatiobship with some of the biggest companies there, and regular Talent exchanges occur between them. It is only a matter of time until the SWA surpasses the current king of American wrestling, APW.
I would love to expand this with more things down the line, but right now, this is what I got. Hopefully, everything is understandabld. While I think that my English is alright, I sometime do struggle a bit when it comes to writing a lot. I would love to hear your opinions.
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Post by fullMETAL on Apr 13, 2020 23:19:25 GMT
Okay, I've put together a tentative song collection for the SWA roster (it will auto-assign if you've got the Workshop versions, if you want to re-assign the Defaults, you gotta use the Mod Pack to do it). The only one I'm actually 100% sure on is "Bang Your Head" for Steel Johnson, the rest are kind of guess-work. Keep in mind that if you have the real Ernest "The Cat" Miller on your save that it'll conflict with Ernest Miller the SWA Default in terms of themes. Let me know which ones you think work and which ones you think don't work, because this first set is kinda just me going through some of my production theme folders and listening to the songs with the roster pics next to them. drive.google.com/open?id=19WbqzK8Z_c3jHb5J3UeredsbOj_Bzn5k
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Post by invader3k on Apr 18, 2020 13:43:16 GMT
Okay, I've put together a tentative song collection for the SWA roster (it will auto-assign if you've got the Workshop versions, if you want to re-assign the Defaults, you gotta use the Mod Pack to do it). The only one I'm actually 100% sure on is "Bang Your Head" for Steel Johnson, the rest are kind of guess-work. Keep in mind that if you have the real Ernest "The Cat" Miller on your save that it'll conflict with Ernest Miller the SWA Default in terms of themes. Let me know which ones you think work and which ones you think don't work, because this first set is kinda just me going through some of my production theme folders and listening to the songs with the roster pics next to them. drive.google.com/open?id=19WbqzK8Z_c3jHb5J3UeredsbOj_Bzn5kThat's really cool. I just wish there was an easier way to implement them in the game than to have to copy and modify every single edit, then "retire" the old edit.
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Post by knocked on Sept 21, 2020 16:11:50 GMT
Necropost, but this thread seems like my kind of thing.
I may have some ideas for the Fire Promoter cast, but only towards the 4-Wrestler Promotions at the moment. (Just some small backstories about the promotion and maybe some of the wrestlers) EX: ACE being founded by Kodo Hanamichi after noticing a bit of a drought towards Japanese Deathmatch Wrestling. The other three wrestlers (KEN, Masanori Hamada, Soichiro Nagase) were his buddies that he roped together to round out the promotion a bit.
I also thought of the idea that compared to the Major Promotions like SWA or NCPW, the promotions that only have 4 wrestlers in it (along with some of the 6-Wrestler Promotions) are mainly just starting out.
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Post by Senator Phillips on Sept 21, 2020 17:25:38 GMT
Necropost, but this thread seems like my kind of thing. I may have some ideas for the Fire Promoter cast, but only towards the 4-Wrestler Promotions at the moment. (Just some small backstories about the promotion and maybe some of the wrestlers) EX: ACE being founded by Kodo Hanamichi after noticing a bit of a drought towards Japanese Deathmatch Wrestling. The other three wrestlers (KEN, Masanori Hamada, Soichiro Nagase) were his buddies that he roped together to round out the promotion a bit. I also thought of the idea that compared to the Major Promotions like SWA or NCPW, the promotions that only have 4 wrestlers in it (along with some of the 6-Wrestler Promotions) are mainly just starting out. Makes a lot of sense to me, that they'd probably be the only real contracted members of those promotions with freelancers making up the rest of their population.
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