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Post by OrochiGeese on Jan 19, 2020 6:08:27 GMT
The more I watch this stuff, the more I miss Eddy, Owen Hart, Benoit, (WCW Monday night) JERICHO, Regal, Ron Simmons, Kobashi, Muta/Mutoh, Misawa, Kawada, Dynamite/Tiger Mask even Stone Cold and all those guys. Things have changed, which is fine, and I like some of it, but it feels a bit like people found tablets with an ancient, forgotten text and pictures of pro wrestling, they tried to decipher it, and what we have now is the result. I liked your whole post and that part was especially well said! 💡 What's also weird is how Vince continues trying to decipher his own notes from the Attitude Era and continues to fail to realize many of the reasons it worked (like how the entire presentation of pro wrestling was changed). AEW seems to be following some weird hybrid of NWA/WCW mixed with the last 20 years of indies (which itself tried to follow tablets from the last 30 years of Japanese wrestling). |
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Post by Kris on Jan 19, 2020 21:28:53 GMT
Been watching more wrestling lately than I have in years. I like some of it (Keith Lee, undisputed era, MJF, luchasaurus and jungle boy, Kabuki Warriors, Cody Rhodes, Darby Allan), don’t like some of it (orange Cassidy, aew women’s division minus awesome Kong, Matt riddle (his kicks look like shit, he needs to fix them if he’s going to use them all of the time!), dark order, etc). I feel like an Addict looking for the feeling of that first high when I watch this stuff, nothing ever quite scratches the itch. Sometimes I see something that gets me hyped, but most of the time I’m thankful for the fast forward feature. I feel stuck in the past because I don’t get the hype about Jon Moxley, he looks like Victor Lucas from Electric Playground and I don’t buy him as an opponent for Jericho. I don’t get many of the top dudes, they’re mostly pretty vanilla and tough to care about or not care about (heel? Baby face?). I’m glad there are choices, but the stuff that is out there seems to be a shadow of what I remember enjoying about pro wrestling. Maybe like all nostalgia, you see it through rose coloured glasses. I guess to me pro wrestling is a memory, a bubble in time where my life was simpler and pro wrestling was full of characters and tough people who clawed their way onto my TV. The more I watch this stuff, the more I miss Eddy, Owen Hart, Benoit, (WCW Monday night) JERICHO, Regal, Ron Simmons, Kobashi, Muta/Mutoh, Misawa, Kawada, Dynamite/Tiger Mask even Stone Cold and all those guys. Things have changed, which is fine, and I like some of it, but it feels a bit like people found tablets with an ancient, forgotten text and pictures of pro wrestling, they tried to decipher it, and what we have now is the result. I’m not bitching, and I do like all of the alternatives out there now, I guess I just miss waiting week to week to see guys like Guerrero and Benoit snap suplex each other out of their boots. I miss that hard hitting, stiff style. I miss crass shitheads telling the fat losers in the crowd to sit down and let their ugly wives see what a real man looks like, stuff like that, you know, great childhood memories! 🙂 Bonus for reading my observations/whinings m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y78A6tiZdQwYou might enjoy New Japan. Hard hitting, sports based presentation, long term story telling. It's a great time to start two, if you watch both nights of Wrestle Kingdom you're essentially up to date for the year. |
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Post by unimportantguy on Jan 20, 2020 3:05:49 GMT
I wanted to say that but I didn't want to just be The Guy Who Always Recommends NJPW, so thanks for saying it for me.
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Post by BakFu on Jan 24, 2020 13:57:12 GMT
Thanks for the NJPW heads up. I’ve been a fan forever, accessibility, free time, and varying interest levels prevent me from actively following the group, but I really like some of the new stuff they have. Okada is great and could be a top guy anywhere (I like him way more than Nakamura, I don’t get the appeal of that guy), Naito is bad ass, and so are lots of other guys (I love seeing Honma in the ring, that guy is awesome!).
Just listened to an old stone cold podcast with lance storm, storm nailed my opinion of newer stuff with a good analogy. He said he felt the older stuff was like art, organic, created on the fly, while the new stuff, it’s a bit like paint by numbers with the matches being heavily scripted/memorized. It can look good if it’s laid out right, but it won’t have the flow of something done organically. He also noted that the struggle is missing, the baby doesn’t have to claw his way up from under the heel’s boot, so it takes the emotional investment out for the fans and turns it into a performance piece. That can still look good and be entertaining, but it’s not what pro wrestling has traditionally been about. I guess that’s where sports entertainment (shudder) comes from. It was interesting getting the views of a vet like storm on this stuff.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Jan 25, 2020 7:28:52 GMT
I always liked Lance Storm as a wrestler and I thought his post-retirement commentary (on his website) was usually spot on and insightful. He took a bit of a break from that to focus on his wrestling school but I think he's going to be an agent again for WWE. Sounds like he still has a very good head on his shoulders for the game and understands it. I bet that podcast was really entertaining and serious 😎
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Post by BakFu on Feb 18, 2020 19:45:21 GMT
Just because... 🙂 ![]()  And this old classic! |
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Post by OrochiGeese on Feb 19, 2020 6:19:41 GMT
I love how Hansen makes time to adjust his elbow pad and raise his arm to signal the fans that the lariat is coming 😁
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Post by Ramon on Feb 19, 2020 10:11:44 GMT
LAAAAAARRRRIIIAAAAATTOOOOOOO!
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Post by rollinsphan on Feb 29, 2020 21:05:24 GMT
Sounds like W-1 is done. Surprised they lasted this long but still it's too bad since they were doing some solid stuff for the last few years. Can definitely see some of the higher end talent going to NJPW, AJPW and NOAH.
My biggest fear is that Mutoh might have sold W1 to the WWE and the thought of some of those talented workers being wasted in NXT makes me ill.
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Post by rollinsphan on Mar 20, 2020 4:14:08 GMT
HIGHSPOTS is running a 50% off sale on digital downloads/DVDs right now. I just got all three nights of PWG's BOLA 2019 (which I haven't been spoiled on) so I'm looking forward to that when they're finally downloaded.
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Mar 21, 2020 6:40:30 GMT
DDT has started running shows again and STARDOM shows will be starting back up in a few days. Thank fuck. I can be excited for wrestling again.
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Post by El Marsh on Mar 21, 2020 14:02:53 GMT
HIGHSPOTS is running a 50% off sale on digital downloads/DVDs right now. I just got all three nights of PWG's BOLA 2019 (which I haven't been spoiled on) so I'm looking forward to that when they're finally downloaded. This would happen during the first time I've ever been without a card (lost wallet for the first time, automatically cancelled cards, eventually recovered wallet)
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Post by Staubhold on Apr 4, 2020 17:07:41 GMT
INDYMANIA Day One From WrestleTalk: WrestleMania weekend is traditionally a celebration of wrestling, with indie promotions large and small from all over the world coming together in one place for wrestling’s equivalent of Christmas and it’s birthday.
Obviously, things are very different, and rather putting on shows over WrestleMania weekend - typically some promotion’s biggest events of the year - many indie companies are now fighting for survival due. Not only have their WrestleMania weekend shows been cancelled, but they’re also unable to put on any more live events for the foreseeable future.
And that’s why the wrestling business needs your support.
Following on from the incredible success of our WrestleTalk Showcase: No Fans Monday event - where we helped raise thousands of pounds to support the top UK indy wrestlers during these hard times - we've now decided to go one step further! WrestleTalk has teamed up with some of the best indie promotions in the world for a special two day, live-streaming event called IndieMania - where a vast array of the world’s best wrestling companies have sent us guest matches, which we’re putting together as two special WrestleTalk Showcase - Indy Mania episodes. Airing across this WrestleMania weekend.
And just as we did with No Fans Monday, all of your donations will be split equally between the promotions involved - which you can get in through Super Chatting on the YouTube livestream, buying the limited edition IndieMania t-shirt, and also by going to our Support Wrestling GoFundMe.
We've tried to stay as true to the original footage and promotions content as possible. Because most indy companies aren't working with the same budgets at companies like the WWE, many use wrestler entrance tracks we can’t air on YouTube, because we’ll be demonitized quicker than you can say ‘Steve Corino’. And that kind of defeats the whole purpose of raising money for the cause. On the bright side, it just means you're going to get almost 3 hours a day of absolutely incredible matches from the likes of The Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, Will Ospreay, Pete Dunne, Walter, David Starr, Jordan Devlin, Rampage Brown, Bobby Lashley, Sami Callihan, Toni Storm, Zack Sabre Jr, Shibata and more...
The wrestling world is pulling together, making indy mania the single biggest selection of different wrestling promotions uniting under one event ever. So help us make that history mean something, donate and help these companies stay alive!
So join us as WrestleTalk Showcase presents IndieMania to protect the global wrestling scene that’s the lifeblood of the industry we all love. Support WrestleTalk - Support independent wrestling. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 22:14:34 GMT
I've not watched wrestling in two decades but I've been watching some Pro Wrestling Noah from 2000 - 2003 and I've got to say that it's great!
I really enjoy the style of the matches, some of the bumps they take landing on their heads must sting like a motherfucker, but they carry on for another 20 mins! Misawa v Kobashi from 2003 is superb.
How have I been oblivious to all this as I've been playing Fire Pro for 10 years.
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Post by Senator Phillips on Apr 5, 2020 6:52:54 GMT
I've not watched wrestling in two decades but I've been watching some Pro Wrestling Noah from 2000 - 2003 and I've got to say that it's great! I really enjoy the style of the matches, some of the bumps they take landing on their heads must sting like a motherfucker, but they carry on for another 20 mins! Misawa v Kobashi from 2003 is superb. How have I been oblivious to all this as I've been playing Fire Pro for 10 years. One of the best runs of any promotion in wrestling history in my opinion, and nearly as good as prime 90s AJPW. |
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