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Post by craziej2k on Oct 10, 2018 20:51:55 GMT
Isn't an elbow stamp just when a wrestler stamps their foot at the same time as hitting the opponent with an elbow to make a sound, kinda like theyhit hteir thighs when they do superkicks
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Post by dnmt on Oct 10, 2018 21:01:11 GMT
Isn't an elbow stamp just when a wrestler stamps their foot at the same time as hitting the opponent with an elbow to make a sound, kinda like theyhit hteir thighs when they do superkicks I guess that's what they were going for, but even then Elbow Stomp makes more sense? I'm not sure, it's one of those moves that seems like they just gave it a title and didn't pick the traditional pro-wrestling one. I renamed a ton of the weak grapple and gave them their conventional pro-wrestling names. Another thing was changing every instance of "Swan Dive" to "Springboard". That's another phrase that I think SPIKE is wrong on. |
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Post by craziej2k on Oct 10, 2018 21:18:01 GMT
I always thought it was what they called it in Japan, like avalanche being top rope
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Post by Senator Phillips on Oct 10, 2018 21:45:03 GMT
I actually think Stamp makes sense if you think of it as the same motion as applying an old ink stamp to a surface, slamming the blunt object(elbow) down on the target.
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Post by craziej2k on Oct 11, 2018 8:22:58 GMT
Gory switches between Gori and Gory spellings, Also What's the difference between a Hurricanrana and a Frankensteiner?
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 13:33:04 GMT
Gory switches between Gori and Gory spellings, Also What's the difference between a Hurricanrana and a Frankensteiner? Luchawiki says his name was Gory, so I go with Gory every time. Nowadays, there is no difference between a Huracanrana and a Frankensteiner. Traditionally, Rana means seated pin, or something similar, so if it ends in you sitting on the other guys chest, pinning him, it's a rana. Even like the Banzai drop would be a Rana in Spanish iirc. A Frankensteiner is usually more of a headspike and doesn't pin. In the old days, Scott would hit it, then crawl over to pin. However, he has hit a pinning version of the move. I think of the Counter one where he points up in the air as a "Pinning Frankensteiner." Looks more head-drop to me. But, really, I think that like clothesline vs. lariat, it's sort of been destroyed by years of video games and marks calling shit the wrong names. |
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 13:36:22 GMT
You're adding specificity where there is no need, and it doesn't really fit. The Bionic Elbow, at least a proper Rhodes style one, is a crown of the head attack. And remember, this is coming for someone who absolutely will shred somebody for confusing a rana invertida for a Manami roll, and bought two books just to try and reconcile a Turkey Wing argument from 1999. (Would have been 3 but Borders went boom and the last one hasn't shown up on Kindle last I checked.) I am referring to those crown elbows. One was called "Elbow Stamp", the other Elbow to the Crown. Based on this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_attacks#Bionic_elbowI feel comfortable renaming them to Bionic Elbow or perhaps 12-to-6 Elbow. The ones I renamed Elbow to Neck, Elbow to Arm and Elbow to Leg were the Elbow Stamp (Head), etc. I just don't understand what an Elbow Stamp is and can't find a single source for that name otherwise lol. I like Elbow Stamp because I don't like anyone but Rhodes to have "Bionic Elbow." I thought about 12-6 Elbow, but that seems very MMA for someone like Greg Valentine. |
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Post by Lord Worm on Oct 11, 2018 13:40:25 GMT
It’s a stamp like motion it makes sense to me.
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 14:23:42 GMT
Possibly a triple post. Sorry.
The basic Headlock, I've changed to Side Headlock to be more accurate. Same with the "Fierce" & "Torture" versions. I honestly hate those qualifiers, so anyone has something better, let me know. Also, Ground Headlock because "Grounded Side Headlock."
All the Front Headlocks, I've changed to Guillotine Choke, Rolling Guillotine Choke, & Bodyscissors Guillotine Choke. The in-game move that was called Guillotine Choke got changed to Forearm Choke. (Would Ezekial Choke be accurate? A lot of the MMA how-to vids are crap.)
Can't remember the original name, but I changed that rolling MMA choke to Gator Roll.
Quite a few of the MMA chokes got changed to Rear Naked Choke. Again, I don't remember the original names.
What does everyone call that Neck Snap move that looks like a martial arts movie kill scene? I'm going with Neck Snap, but it just doesn't sound badass enough.
Cobra Hold got changed to Cobra Clutch. Stick with what you know. Likewise, "Crossface Chickenwing."
"La Cavernaria Dragon Sleeper" instead of Modified, and Romero Special Dragon Sleeper instead of Torture.
Fish Stretch Sleeper = STS
Bat Hanging Stretch = Murciélago Stretch
Personal preference, but I like TAKA's sub to the "JUST Facelock." I saw it stylized in all caps a few times, and just like that better.
Since FP is primarily a wrestling game, instead of MMA. I renamed all the Wakigatames to "Fujiwara Armbar." Again, personal preference.
Another example of this game needing an editor- "Tilt-A-Whirl" is spelled differently on a bunch of moves.
I went total weeb and named the Grounded Octopus Stretch "Henkei Manji-Gatame."
I also did something weird where I changed the Cobra Twist to the Abdominal Stretch and the Torture Cobra Twist into the Cobra Twist. (Personal Preference strikes again)
I don't care who else does it, Torture Boston Crab is the Liontamer. Suck it Roderick Strong, and you're shitty little boots.
I changed one of the Camel CLutches to "La a de Cabella." Gory invented the move and I use a lot of luchadors, so it's nice to have a version that I can give them with a more accurate name.
I named the Hanging Figure 4, the Hanging Figure 4 Choke. I wanted to stress that it's illegal move.
Lightning Speed = "Denkou Sekka" Weebyness strikes again.
Forgot the original name, but that pin that rolls all over the ring,... pretty sure Terry Funk called it the Oklahoma Roll in late-WCW. That's what I went with.
I went really irritating with the "Fall" section. The folding pin that I forgot the original name of is "The Alligator Clutch." The Basic Pin is "Side Lateral Press." The Basic Leg Hook Pin is "Inside Cradle Pin." I'm not sure about the Bck Hook Leg Pinfall. Any ideas?
I have no f'n clue why they call the "Rolling Senton" a Sunset Flip. That's dumb. Everyone should change it right now.
Everyone copy and paste the word - Topé - Now go through and change every instance of that in the game. :-)
I'm pretty sure that chest sit pin thing is supposed to be the Bamiyan Stamp, and the spelling has just been jumbled in translation. Not 100% on that one, but it's what I have it listed as.
I'll have more later, and I'll copy this onto the first page.
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Post by Senator Phillips on Oct 11, 2018 15:35:51 GMT
A number of things here:
-I'd use Grinding Side Headlock for the Torture variation if you want something more specific
-The standing Front Facelocks could either be called Standing Guillotine or Front Facelock, I generally think of the closed guard versions as standard Guillotine Chokes. Ezekiel Choke would NOT be the forearm choke, it's technically a wraparound choke, best applied with a Gi, since you grab the sleeve for leverage, but it's been used in No-Gi with some success, especially by Alexey Oleynik in the UFC, who's an interesting fighter, since he's super awkward looking until he slaps on some intricate submission out of nowhere.
-Perhaps the Neck Snap could be called the Rapid Neck Crank or something along those lines.
-The rolling pin should NOT be called an Oklahoma Roll, which is a rollover pin on the ground, very different move. I'd call it an Endless Rolling Cradle or something along those lines, although I'm sure there's a more accurate term that I haven't remembered. Tajiri's known for using that one along with Terry.
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 16:10:32 GMT
The first part of the Guide is up. Everyone go check out the Standing Moves. Please add, tell me I'm wrong, point out better names, or call me a doo-doo head. A number of things here: -I'd use Grinding Side Headlock for the Torture variation if you want something more specific -The standing Front Facelocks could either be called Standing Guillotine or Front Facelock, I generally think of the closed guard versions as standard Guillotine Chokes. Ezekiel Choke would NOT be the forearm choke, it's technically a wraparound choke, best applied with a Gi, since you grab the sleeve for leverage, but it's been used in No-Gi with some success, especially by Alexey Oleynik in the UFC, who's an interesting fighter, since he's super awkward looking until he slaps on some intricate submission out of nowhere. -Perhaps the Neck Snap could be called the Rapid Neck Crank or something along those lines. -The rolling pin should NOT be called an Oklahoma Roll, which is a rollover pin on the ground, very different move. I'd call it an Endless Rolling Cradle or something along those lines, although I'm sure there's a more accurate term that I haven't remembered. Tajiri's known for using that one along with Terry. I bow to you superior knowledge, good sir. I was pretty sure I was wrong about the Ezekial choke, but Forearm Choke still works, right? |
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Post by petef3 on Oct 11, 2018 16:18:05 GMT
AFAIK the Funk/Manami Toyota "rolling cradle" is called just that. The Oklahoma roll is sort of a side roll-up that I don't think is in the game.
Other random thoughts:
- For me, both arms around the head/neck = cobra twist. Arm just placed on the hip or anywhere else = abdominal stretch. Arm pulling up on a leg = swastika/suastica.
- The somersault senton, at least when Mighty Inoue used it as his finisher, was indeed called the "sunset flip" in Japan. That's an instance where we the Americans should just go by our own name for clarity (same reason I list Barry Horowitz as "Barry Horowitz" throughout my personal match collection, even though he wrestled as Barry Hart and Bret Hart in certain places and times).
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 16:22:09 GMT
AFAIK the Funk/Manami Toyota "rolling cradle" is called just that. The Oklahoma roll is sort of a side roll-up that I don't think is in the game. Other random thoughts: - For me, both arms around the head/neck = cobra twist. Arm just placed on the hip or anywhere else = abdominal stretch. Arm pulling up on a leg = swastika/suastica. - The somersault senton, at least when Mighty Inoue used it as his finisher, was indeed called the "sunset flip" in Japan. That's an instance where we the Americans should just go by our own name for clarity (same reason I list Barry Horowitz as "Barry Horowitz" throughout my personal match collection, even though he wrestled as Barry Hart and Bret Hart in certain places and times). I get that. And, when I make Inoue, I'll probably call his senton, the Sunset Flip. Just like there was some Joshi who's name excapes me that did a totally different move than Konnan's called the Tequila Sunrise. In the case of the Cobra Twist, what would you suggest as far as different names between regular and "Torture." I just personally hate all the "Torture" & "Fierce" move names. |
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Post by crippler19 on Oct 11, 2018 16:22:52 GMT
I haven’t gone through this whole thread but remember that they are using Japanese terms like “swan dive” rather than “springboard” etc, so they aren’t wrong, they may just not be what you are personally use to.
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 16:35:49 GMT
I haven’t gone through this whole thread but remember that they are using Japanese terms like “swan dive” rather than “springboard” etc, so they aren’t wrong, they may just not be what you are personally use to. Absolutely. I'm planning on changing it to Americanized terms since 90% of this community are native English speakers. But, that's why I eventually want a spreadsheet that has the original name, and a few choices of alternate names. So you can pick between Springboard Moonsault, Asai Moonsault, or Quebrada Moonsault for example. I have edits from all over the world, so I like to have a lot of Foreign words in the movesets to represent that. Wrestling is for everyone. |
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