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Post by kokushishin on Oct 11, 2018 16:42:41 GMT
I spent about a minute trying to see if I knew what type of wrestling move a turkey wing was before I twigged. X( Also is there a difference between a Fujiwara armbar and a wagitame(sp?) or is it the same thing?
Generally the turkey wing is the opposite of the chickenwing.
These days it's most commonly a setup into a DDT, and usually just called a hammerlock:
The ones I was looking for are LeBell's which is more of less a fusion dance between
and
Fujiwara was known for focusing on the hand more which is why they gave him his own animation.
Again, it's a general word. Many of these are literal and phonetic.
the pro wrestling section of the wiki has been a lost cause for years. At the very least there were some who actually bothered to care about individual wrestlers and promotions but the cabal is doing their best to drive them away.
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Post by Senator Phillips on Oct 11, 2018 16:47:26 GMT
The first part of the Guide is up. Everyone go check out the Standing Moves. Please add, tell me I'm wrong, point out better names, or call me a doo-doo head. A number of things here: -I'd use Grinding Side Headlock for the Torture variation if you want something more specific -The standing Front Facelocks could either be called Standing Guillotine or Front Facelock, I generally think of the closed guard versions as standard Guillotine Chokes. Ezekiel Choke would NOT be the forearm choke, it's technically a wraparound choke, best applied with a Gi, since you grab the sleeve for leverage, but it's been used in No-Gi with some success, especially by Alexey Oleynik in the UFC, who's an interesting fighter, since he's super awkward looking until he slaps on some intricate submission out of nowhere. -Perhaps the Neck Snap could be called the Rapid Neck Crank or something along those lines. -The rolling pin should NOT be called an Oklahoma Roll, which is a rollover pin on the ground, very different move. I'd call it an Endless Rolling Cradle or something along those lines, although I'm sure there's a more accurate term that I haven't remembered. Tajiri's known for using that one along with Terry. I bow to you superior knowledge, good sir. I was pretty sure I was wrong about the Ezekial choke, but Forearm Choke still works, right? Heh, Forearm Choke is a good basic name for a good basic move. I think that's what I used, too. |
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 17:03:19 GMT
The Running Section is now up. I know it seems pointless to put "Running" at the start of almost every move in the running section, but I'm a pedantic asshole.
Another little "personal preference thing," I'm calling most spinning moves "Discus" and reserving "Rolling" for the Elbow. The Rolling Elbow just fits better imo.
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Post by mbxfilms on Oct 11, 2018 17:11:45 GMT
The Running Section is now up. I know it seems pointless to put "Running" at the start of almost every move in the running section, but I'm a pedantic asshole. Another little "personal preference thing," I'm calling most spinning moves "Discus" and reserving "Rolling" for the Elbow. The Rolling Elbow just fits better imo. But if not the game just says they won with "dropkick" so you need the running, diving, ect in the text. |
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 17:15:03 GMT
The Running Section is now up. I know it seems pointless to put "Running" at the start of almost every move in the running section, but I'm a pedantic asshole. Another little "personal preference thing," I'm calling most spinning moves "Discus" and reserving "Rolling" for the Elbow. The Rolling Elbow just fits better imo. But if not the game just says they won with "dropkick" so you need the running, diving, ect in the text. This guy OCDs. I refuse to put C2C though, cause an announcer would never say that. Except Matt Striker, maybe. |
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Post by kokushishin on Oct 11, 2018 17:25:52 GMT
Isn't an elbow stamp just when a wrestler stamps their foot at the same time as hitting the opponent with an elbow to make a sound, kinda like theyhit hteir thighs when they do superkicks
That's an appel, which comes from fencing.
The standing front headlocks are stretch moves and are not chokes.
The necklocks are the equialent to what is called the Guillotine in the US, at least when you're not talking about amateur wrestling.
Their guillotine I knew The Saw, but that and Axe are somewhat common for forearms in general.
The spinning choke is well, the spinning choke, although it became popular as the Anaconda in BJJ.
Manami Toyota- Rolling Cradle
Funk- Kiwi Roll Hector Guerrero- Guerrero Clutch, Jalapeno Roll
Tajiri's windmill was from his powerbomb. But he hasn't really used that since his old clean shaven babyface days.
Many female wrestlers use the Farmer's Roll, which is from a bodyscissor.
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Post by kokushishin on Oct 11, 2018 17:47:16 GMT
Gory switches between Gori and Gory spellings, Also What's the difference between a Hurricanrana and a Frankensteiner? Luchawiki says his name was Gory, so I go with Gory every time. Nowadays, there is no difference between a Huracanrana and a Frankensteiner. Traditionally, Rana means seated pin, or something similar, so if it ends in you sitting on the other guys chest, pinning him, it's a rana. Even like the Banzai drop would be a Rana in Spanish iirc. A Frankensteiner is usually more of a headspike and doesn't pin. In the old days, Scott would hit it, then crawl over to pin. However, he has hit a pinning version of the move. I think of the Counter one where he points up in the air as a "Pinning Frankensteiner." Looks more head-drop to me. But, really, I think that like clothesline vs. lariat, it's sort of been destroyed by years of video games and marks calling shit the wrong names.
It's Gori, which we know from Eddy since he was briefly billed as Gori Guerrero Jr.
The latter is far more complicated.
Tijeras is the most generic, but tends to mean what we would call a flying headscissor.
Corbata-no headspike, no pin, usually a counter, especially vs. powerbombs. Of course this is sometimes the Santo style ground headscissor too.
Corkscrew Headscissor/Swing Frankensteiner- has become very common as a running takedown, usually called a running rana or such but Corkscrew comes from the old Michinoku pro guide. You'd probably have to hassle Kevin Wilson (the Joshi City guy) to see if he still has it. Might even be more common on the diving version ie "Litacanrana."
Huracanrana- Huracan's Hold / The Hurricane Hold. Very obviously ends in the rana pin
Frankensteiner- Scott Steiner obviously.
Frankensteiner with straddle pin- Mutoh, Steiner.
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 17:55:04 GMT
Isn't an elbow stamp just when a wrestler stamps their foot at the same time as hitting the opponent with an elbow to make a sound, kinda like theyhit hteir thighs when they do superkicks
That's an appel, which comes from fencing.
The standing front headlocks are stretch moves and are not chokes.
The necklocks are the equialent to what is called the Guillotine in the US, at least when you're not talking about amateur wrestling.
Their guillotine I knew The Saw, but that and Axe are somewhat common for forearms in general.
The spinning choke is well, the spinning choke, although it became popular as the Anaconda in BJJ.
Manami Toyota- Rolling Cradle
Funk- Kiwi Roll Hector Guerrero- Guerrero Clutch, Jalapeno Roll
Tajiri's windmill was from his powerbomb. But he hasn't really used that since his old clean shaven babyface days.
Many female wrestlers use the Farmer's Roll, which is from a bodyscissor.
Re; The Anaconda. The clips I watched referred to the end result as an Anaconda Choke, but the rolling setup as a Gator Roll. And, the Front Facelock / "Guillotine Choke" has become a pretty popular move in US & European wrestling since the MMA boom, so I just kind of like to think of them as chokes so I don't mind when they randomly finish matches because I forgot to turn the Rest Hold mod on or something. Daniel Bryan used it as a finish for a while, so it's good enough for me. Plus, like half the NXT call-up females have used it. |
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 18:17:28 GMT
Made it through Counters, and now I'm tapping out for a bit. I'll do Post later on.
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Post by craziej2k on Oct 11, 2018 18:36:35 GMT
But, that's why I eventually want a spreadsheet that has the original name, and a few choices of alternate names. So you can pick between Springboard Moonsault, Asai Moonsault, or Quebrada Moonsault for example. I have edits from all over the world, so I like to have a lot of Foreign words in the movesets to represent that. Wrestling is for everyone. What a spreadsheet like a little like this?
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 18:56:35 GMT
But, that's why I eventually want a spreadsheet that has the original name, and a few choices of alternate names. So you can pick between Springboard Moonsault, Asai Moonsault, or Quebrada Moonsault for example. I have edits from all over the world, so I like to have a lot of Foreign words in the movesets to represent that. Wrestling is for everyone. What a spreadsheet like a little like this?
Dude! That's perfect. My only suggestion would be to move the DLC moves into their own section at the very bottom just so people who haven't got it don't get mixed up. Or, maybe better idea, put a "*" beside the original name and we can Ctrl+F to find DLC moves. |
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Post by Senator Phillips on Oct 11, 2018 18:59:52 GMT
A few more on the striking side:
-Combination 3(I think): 1-2 Combination
-Uraken: Spin Backfist(just depends on your preference between the two)
-Russian Hook: Overhand Hook, likewise, Overhand Hook Combo for the front grapple move
-American Jab: Stepping Jab, I use this more for mobile, fancy jab users like Muhammad Ali
-Kneel Kick: Spinning Wheel Kick
-Flying Kneel Kick: High Spinning Wheel Kick
-Big Wheel Kick: Long Spinning Wheel Kick
-High Spin Kick: Spin Outer Crescent Kick
-Back Spin High Kick: 360 Spin Heel Kick
-Solebutt: Spin Back Side Kick(Can be abbreviated to Spin Back Kick if needed, wish there was a more polished animation of this with the foot turned properly, though)
-Jumping Solebutt: Jump Spin Back Side Kick(see above)
-Front High Kick: High Front Kick(yes, close, but it does make a difference)
-Screw Kick: Tornado Roundhouse Kick/Trouble in Paradise, if you want the Kofi gimmick name
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Post by craziej2k on Oct 11, 2018 19:45:38 GMT
I'll try and add * to the DLC moves if I can remember them, I was thinking of adding a column between "Grammar & Spelling Correction" and "Alternative Name 1" called US Name so it's easier to find moves if you've only played WWE games before. Maybe even add a column specifically for MMA names if people can help me name them (I have no knowledge of MMA whatsoever) You should be able to add and edit it now ripper. :)
Edit: Added * to DLC and corrected a few things I missed.
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Post by ripper on Oct 11, 2018 22:09:38 GMT
A few more on the striking side: -Combination 3(I think): 1-2 Combination -Uraken: Spin Backfist(just depends on your preference between the two) -Russian Hook: Overhand Hook, likewise, Overhand Hook Combo for the front grapple move -American Jab: Stepping Jab, I use this more for mobile, fancy jab users like Muhammad Ali -Kneel Kick: Spinning Wheel Kick -Flying Kneel Kick: High Spinning Wheel Kick -Big Wheel Kick: Long Spinning Wheel Kick -High Spin Kick: Spin Outer Crescent Kick -Back Spin High Kick: 360 Spin Heel Kick -Solebutt: Spin Back Side Kick(Can be abbreviated to Spin Back Kick if needed, wish there was a more polished animation of this with the foot turned properly, though) -Jumping Solebutt: Jump Spin Back Side Kick(see above) -Front High Kick: High Front Kick(yes, close, but it does make a difference) -Screw Kick: Tornado Roundhouse Kick/Trouble in Paradise, if you want the Kofi gimmick name I kind of prefer Uraken. But, the spreadsheet that craziej2k set up will be good for giving options. I also kind of prefer the name Russian Hook. I just kind of think of it as the Klitscko special. Thank you for the better names for the Kneel kicks! I swear I've mostly heard 540 Kick for the Screw Kick. Tornado Roundhouse sounds cool too though. |
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Post by ripper on Oct 12, 2018 0:16:26 GMT
I'll try and add * to the DLC moves if I can remember them, I was thinking of adding a column between "Grammar & Spelling Correction" and "Alternative Name 1" called US Name so it's easier to find moves if you've only played WWE games before. Maybe even add a column specifically for MMA names if people can help me name them (I have no knowledge of MMA whatsoever) You should be able to add and edit it now ripper. :)
Edit: Added * to DLC and corrected a few things I missed.
I got a bit carried away. Check it out to make sure I didn't f' anything up. |
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