RESIGNATION

ZOMG 2

All I'll say is this is unnecessary. You're busy with school. We understand that. You can't update the mod suite. People can live without until you have spare time.

You're angry at Spike for not sending you an internal build or personal updates while their team is eye deep in the shit? That's a bit unreasonable. You publicly post about how you hope the game dies a quick death so it won't interfere with your modding and how the base game is shit without your mods and how Spike doesn't give a fuck about the PC community? That's more than unreasonable. That's destructive.

I hope you'll take your time away to reflect on that but honestly it just seems like your personality.

What is with this fucking community and reading comprehension?

At NO POINT did I say I was mad at Spike for not providing an internal build. In fact I stated the EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE. I do hope the game dies a quick death. I'm ready for Spike and their poor decision making to come to and end. I feel the direction that Spike has been heading in isn't a direction I want the game to go in, and with the ability to mod, that means I can take the game in the direction I'd like to see it go in. The base game is garbage without the mods, the truth is shitty sometimes, but that's the truth. It's so similar to Returns that it doesn't have any lasting appeal in my opinion. I started playing Return in 2005 and I gave it up around 2013 or so because it ran it's course...and World would have run it's course in a matter of months if it wasn't for modding. The game is a colossal letdown. There was so much potential and then Spike got in bed with NJPW and most of that went out the window in favor of stupid story modes and official NJPW edits that no one will use because their default logic and movesets are ass (people have already confirmed this). We could have had official part editing, official move editing, official crowd/sign editing, official nameplate editing, etc. all that stuff was hinted at or partially available in the code...but because the focus shifted we get Kenny fuckin' Omega and a play-it-once story mode...whoop-de-fucking-do. I don't think you guys realize how great this game could have been from a sandbox perspective, but it's all dead now because the game isn't doing great, Spike is clearly in exit mode, and the deal with NJPW is already done.

As far as the the PC community goes, it's been a pattern of neglect and taking us granted since they pushed the game out of Early Access about 9 months too early last December. It's not one delay. It's a history of delays and reshuffling. It's a history of last minute or, even worse, zero communication since December. It's like the community is blinded by "OH MY GOD, A NEW FIREPRO...SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY..." instead of looking at this from the bigger picture. I love Fire Pro, I enjoy what I've turned World into, but I'm not blind to the wasted potential, I'm not blind to the cold shoulder, and I'm not blinded by a new game to the point that I can't see what is wrong with the current situation.

I'm sorry that a lot of people here are, because this game could have been so much better for everyone.

I don't see the forum dying. Do you remember this community in 2015-2016? THAT was dying.

People have opinions, people get mad, it happens. That doesn't kill a community on the contrary, it proves people give a shit.

Boards die when people stop caring.

And what if there was another board? With the same people having the same fights over the same issues? 

The Arena didn't die because the board had issues. It died because the owner got caught with child porn. If we never look for TS's whereabouts, we are all still there.

Content creators can live outside the boards. See FP Complete anywhere on here? He isn't here. He chose to do his thing on the Workshop. Carl does his on Discord. It's all good. 

I'm not going to dig through your post history to pull quotes but I remember you saying that Spike forced your hand by not telling you about the problems they were having. That they had a right to not send you an internal build and you had a right to do what you wanted to do because you gave them every opportunity to work with you. And even if you're not angry, you come across as extremely angry in your posts. I realize now that's your writing style but others may not.

Regarding the rest of your post, I'm not unaware of what Fire Pro World could have been. But I also think that it shifted way before the NJPW deal. As far as I could piece together, the plan was always going to be add Fire Promoter/Fighting Road and port the end result to PS4. PC was never meant to be the main platform and development was suppose to have wrapped months ago. The NJPW deal bought them a couple months and some additional funding.

And just because stuff was in the code didn't mean that they planned to release it to the public. S-1 was in the code and they never planned to add it until the community demanded it. The logo creator/paint tool was in the code but they still didn't link it in the PS4 release, right?

The subcontractor dev team they pieced together wasn't up to snuff. There's alot of wasted potential. Still things could be alot worse. We have a functional game. The PC DLC was delayed, not cancelled. There's some features that were added to the PS4 version that could be coming our way in the future.

IMO alot of the problem is coming from your inability to see things from other people's perspective. You're burned out on Returns. Others are amazed they have a PC version of Fire Pro at all. You think the base version of World is garbage. The majority of World owners don't mod their game. You see Fighting Road as a one-off mode who cares. Others are hyped for Fighting Road since it gives them something to do besides random exhibitions.

There's room for both perspectives. Nobody wants you to shut up or go away. They just want you to tone down the rhetoric.

Ok, you won me over. I will no longer accept mediocrity. What's the plan now, general? Would review bombing the Steam page get Spike's attention? Should we whip the retards at Steam Community into a frenzy? Should we go on Reddit/Twitter/Amazon/etc and let people know that the PS4 version is buggy bullshit they shouldn't buy? Want me to publicly post Dave K's email so people can spam his inbox until he's forced to reply to us?

I'm just joking around but I honestly don't know what you're expecting out of posting like that. They're a small team that's in way over their head and they're trying to perform triage with what little resources they have. They aren't 2K or EA. They made bad decisions (hell, reviving Fire Pro was a bad idea) but they can't go back in time and fix them. Nor could they get corporate to give them another 6-9 months to refine the PC version when the PC version wasn't selling. I don't know how you could watch those last couple of spike_chunsoft Twitch streams and think that it was their idea to exit Early Access early or price the DLC the way they did.

The time table is set and, from what I can piece together from Japanese interviews, the money pipe is closed unless they see some sort of sign that it's worth putting more money in. Director was able to sweet talk the CEO with all sorts of possibilities to keep this thing going but now reality is setting in.

The fact that we're still getting everything - when other developers would have cut & run at the end of Early Access - shows me that they care.

Just give it a couple months. You'll have all the time in the world to work on Fire Pro uninterrupted because it will be over outside of a Postal 2: Paradise Lost-esque expansion pack 10+ years from now. (which is one of the reasons I was trying to tell you to think long term)

No, just vent publicly and let Spike know you're frustrated. I know there's not much they can do at this point, and even in there was there's certainly nothing worth doing from a business stand point...but maybe if a once supportive and friendly community says "you know what...you guys done fucked up..." they won't do it against next time they think biting off more than they can possibly chew is a good idea.

They can't cut and run, they've already sold season passes...and I'm NOT 100% sure the PC market will get everything...which is why they're hesitant to sell those same passes on this side...because it means more commitment that maybe they don't want because they've already been told to pack it in and there's not sure they can deliver the goods to both branches.