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Post by ripper on Oct 18, 2018 19:08:05 GMT
Side Neckbreaker Drop (Schwein) vs. Backflip Driver (Air Raid Crash). Obviously, CIMA & Mike Modest get Schwein. But, what about FCW Dean Ambrose, Finlay, Sheamus, Kaz Hayashi,... anyone else you can think of.
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Post by kokushishin on Oct 19, 2018 5:20:03 GMT
And, the Front Facelock / "Guillotine Choke" has become a pretty popular move in US & European wrestling since the MMA boom, so I just kind of like to think of them as chokes so I don't mind when they randomly finish matches because I forgot to turn the Rest Hold mod on or something. Daniel Bryan used it as a finish for a while, so it's good enough for me. Plus, like half the NXT call-up females have used it.
They may have the same position but these are different holds.
The goal of the front facelock is to drive your forearm through your opponent's face which tends to push it to the side and up. If you want an old story supposedly the attempts to get out of said position are how we get things like the brainbuster setup, neckbreakers etc.
The front sleeper/guillotine is a vascular choke. You have to remember in judo it is simply considered a variation. A proper guillotine is also done at an angle, so again the action is similar, especially standing.
The front necklock should ideally end as a sort of one handed stocks or gallows, although there are several different "make their jaw go into their chest" holds with widely different names such as cobra.
The Schultz is more like driving your shoulder into the back of their head/neck while it's also being squished by your arms.
The Flying Mare is the Flying Mare from amateur wrestling. In theory the snap mare is derived from it.
A proper Schmidt is not to the ribs:
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Post by ripper on Oct 19, 2018 10:38:45 GMT
And, the Front Facelock / "Guillotine Choke" has become a pretty popular move in US & European wrestling since the MMA boom, so I just kind of like to think of them as chokes so I don't mind when they randomly finish matches because I forgot to turn the Rest Hold mod on or something. Daniel Bryan used it as a finish for a while, so it's good enough for me. Plus, like half the NXT call-up females have used it.
They may have the same position but these are different holds.
The goal of the front facelock is to drive your forearm through your opponent's face which tends to push it to the side and up. If you want an old story supposedly the attempts to get out of said position are how we get things like the brainbuster setup, neckbreakers etc.
The front sleeper/guillotine is a vascular choke. You have to remember in judo it is simply considered a variation. A proper guillotine is also done at an angle, so again the action is similar, especially standing.
The front necklock should ideally end as a sort of one handed stocks or gallows, although there are several different "make their jaw go into their chest" holds with widely different names such as cobra.
The Schultz is more like driving your shoulder into the back of their head/neck while it's also being squished by your arms.
The Flying Mare is the Flying Mare from amateur wrestling. In theory the snap mare is derived from it.
A proper Schmidt is not to the ribs:
So what about the Rolling Front Necklock and other variations? Still Necklock? |
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Post by kokushishin on Oct 19, 2018 20:46:05 GMT
Those are intended for Minoru Suzuki types who have done both, but yeah, they are primarily stretch.
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Post by ripper on Oct 24, 2018 13:25:22 GMT
So, someone with some MMA knowledge correct me on this, but is the move listed as a Straight Arm Bar, actually a cross armbar (Juji-Gatame), and the DLC move that's just listed as Armbar actually a Straight Armbar as suggested by Senator Phillips ? |
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Post by kokushishin on Oct 26, 2018 0:31:20 GMT
Straight armbar is much more generic. Jujigatame is probably the most common overall, and of course, your typical UFC etc. results rarely say more than "armbar" to begin with.
But even that is shorthand for Ude Hishigi Gyaku Juji Gatame. Ude Hishigi is where the "arm break" part comes from, as in Cross armbreaker.
Anyways, I would probably go with rolling kimura for the "Armlock."
Latch Lock is a sort of play on words from Taue's Bolt Suplex, which in the States is probably better known due to Vampire Warrior/Gangrel. But I've also heard that the bolt in that is more "thunderbolt" than "deadbolt."
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Post by ripper on Oct 27, 2018 21:41:03 GMT
Where the hell does the term Knuckle Arrow come from?
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Post by craziej2k on Oct 27, 2018 22:01:42 GMT
I guess 'cos it's thrown straight like an arrow and not in a curve like other punches, either that or it's name after one of Green Arrows weird gimmick arrows *shrugs*
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Post by ripper on Oct 27, 2018 23:06:18 GMT
lol
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Post by Zealot on Oct 28, 2018 3:26:12 GMT
Where the hell does the term Knuckle Arrow come from? All I know is it's related to Antonio Inoki because of his knuckle punches. Otherwise, never heard the arrow part. Probably an English translation thing. |
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Post by IamAres on Oct 28, 2018 5:49:59 GMT
I assume it's because you draw your hand/arm back like you're pulling an arrow in a bow. Then, of course, you "fire" it straight forward into his face.
It's one of the more "japanese-y" names in Firepro, many of which I kind of weeded out in my copy, but I never brought myself to change this one. Any other description either sounds way too generic or way too overly specific to me - there's no middle ground that just sounds like a wrestling move, other than Knuckle Arrow.
I guess technically, it's a one-hand-clinch straight punch. But I'm not calling it that.
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Post by ripper on Oct 28, 2018 10:54:21 GMT
Yeah, I don't even mind the standing version much, but I hate it for the corner "10 count" and the MMA mount ones.
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Post by craziej2k on Oct 28, 2018 13:55:30 GMT
I prefer 'straight punch' it's more logical in my mind
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Post by dnmt on Oct 28, 2018 15:13:14 GMT
What is the "Belly Hold" in Face Down supposed to be? That's not a term I can find anywhere online.
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Post by Zealot on Oct 28, 2018 15:15:20 GMT
It's like a grounded abdominal stretch without the leg hook.
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