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Post by faulknasty on Oct 16, 2019 1:36:15 GMT
Even just a ladder match is the biggest missing match mode for me. And then a true Royal rumble mode
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 1:48:27 GMT
I just want to be able to take control of different wrestler mid-tourney or league. Mid-match would be amazing and the best option. I know the mods have it but I prefer play on the PS4.
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Post by mikestrike on Oct 16, 2019 8:03:01 GMT
You know, with 2K shitting the bed this year and probably next given 1) Yukes left development 2) 2K's deal with WWE is ending and 3) They're about to start developing for PS5, and those first few years on new consoles are always rough on both the old and the new gen games, I'd say Fire Pro is in good position to rake in some buys. Good time to finally announce XBox and Switch ports and reach a bigger audience.
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Oct 16, 2019 8:14:25 GMT
Switch would likely sell like hotcakes; Plus Unity titles are easy to port to the Switch too.
Xbox though? Not a chance. It's a waste of resources to port the game to a console that has never sold well in Japan, even if the console does well in other markets.
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Post by Recall on Oct 16, 2019 13:41:20 GMT
Even just a ladder match is the biggest missing match mode for me. And then a true Royal rumble mode It’s a Japanese game. Made by Japanese developers with puroresu in mind There has been 1 traditional ladder matches in the entire history of the major promotions. I agree it should be inclusive to all players and fans from all countries but this obsession with making a western focused game when it very clearly isn’t is odd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 15:54:27 GMT
Even just a ladder match is the biggest missing match mode for me. And then a true Royal rumble mode It’s a Japanese game. Made by Japanese developers with puroresu in mind There has been 1 traditional ladder matches in the entire history of the major promotions. I agree it should be inclusive to all players and fans from all countries but this obsession with making a western focused game when it very clearly isn’t is odd. In addition to these points, there has never, ever, ever been a great ladder match in any wrestling game ever. Passable yes, good maybe, fun-ish? Sometimes. Ladder matches in games are rubbish.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Oct 16, 2019 16:42:46 GMT
It’s a Japanese game. Made by Japanese developers with puroresu in mind There has been 1 traditional ladder matches in the entire history of the major promotions. I agree it should be inclusive to all players and fans from all countries but this obsession with making a western focused game when it very clearly isn’t is odd. In addition to these points, there has never, ever, ever been a great ladder match in any wrestling game ever. Passable yes, good maybe, fun-ish? Sometimes. Ladder matches in games are rubbish. I completely agree with both points. Ladder matches are almost always cumbersome and tedious at best, and having one in a Japanese based wrestling game seems out of place. I'll add that the development work to add it would be fairly intensive, meaning the chance that they break other stuff is high. I would much prefer the team concentrate on other things that are less likely to mess with core game mechanics.
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Post by amsterDAN on Oct 16, 2019 16:56:36 GMT
I just can't envision a ladder match mode in FPW that could possibly be any good at all. Look at the damned escape-only cage matches; they're dreadful. I don't believe a movable ladder is really possible in the game, at least in the way most people seem to be envisioning. So what would they do, put a stationary ladder in the center of the ring? If so, I'd imagine the climbing mechanic would be basically identical to the cage-climbing mechanic, i.e. once someone has met the criteria to be able to climb, they're on their way and the AI can't do anything to stop it really and the match just ends anticlimactically. Without Spike adding a whole ladder-moves category (or several of them, like fighting on ladder, throwing from ladder, on-ladder reversals) it seems like ladder matches would be completely and utterly pointless.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Oct 16, 2019 17:02:03 GMT
...and the match just ends anticlimactically. For me, this is essentially every ladder match mode in every wrestling game ever. It can be slightly better if you're doing player vs player, but for simmers I've never seen AI that "worked" a ladder match in a satisfying way.
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Oct 16, 2019 18:32:31 GMT
Ladder Matches in Japanese wrestling games?! It's less likely than you think!!
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Post by DM_PSX on Oct 16, 2019 18:33:26 GMT
Yep. Ladders can only hold titles in Japan.
I read it in that ancient NWA book when I went to the library of congress with Jericho all those years ago.
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Post by faulknasty on Oct 16, 2019 18:59:33 GMT
I understand every reason that there is no ladder match and agree it has never worked well in any game. I also agree it would also work as poorly as the escape only cage matches. I would still like it just for story purposes for titles. I also agree that they shouldn't westernize the game too much but ladder matches and royal rumbles(not sure if they are only western) are the last western only things I really want
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Post by DM_PSX on Oct 16, 2019 19:38:26 GMT
If you wanted to make ladder matches work better, you could under the hood, without telling anyone, require x number of big moments before grabbing the title would even work.
The problem with ladder matches is that they are treated as a shoot, and don't have their own logic. A gimmick match isn't just a different win condition. It's theatrics centered around a theme.
If both guys are on the ladder and they do a grapple, it will always result in both guys bumping off the ladder unless the quota has been filled. If one guy is on the ladder, depending on circumstances, he could get gassed at the top, he take a wrong step and fall off, couldn't get the object unhooked, the ladder could break, or tip onto the ropes, etc... etc...etc...
So basically, you couldn't win a ladder match without actually having some memorable moments. Everything would still be fair to both players. You just progress a gimmick match by working the actual gimmick. Nothing would be on screen. No quicklime events. The players would be none the wiser, and would say the matches are great and competitive. You could also have an exception to where if you beat the opponent black and blue for a length of time, you could just go up and get the object, but that would be rare.
Apply this logic to any gimmick match. The thing you do to win doesn't succeed until you've hit your theatrics quota, OR you got like 90% of the offense after a time threshold.
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Post by nickythemackx on Oct 16, 2019 19:53:56 GMT
Another thing,the costume edits
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Post by Bananeninja on Oct 17, 2019 8:22:59 GMT
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