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Post by MordecaiXLII on Mar 25, 2019 23:29:32 GMT
Your other suggestion is also good, with one caveat. Right now one of the biggest complaints in tournaments is an edit maker getting stuck with a "bad" or more accurately "incompatible" edit. So we'll have to figure out the best way to handle that so both people don't feel screwed out of showcasing their edits in a match that didn't work. Oh Im fully aware, hence why I went with the 'random pool' idea at all. If you dont do that, then you get instances where 'nobody wants to work with [Edit maker]' and instead just out someone from stuff rather than accepting all comers. Also, I dont actually dislike pre-recording (Hawk did it in 49th and I think it works fine), it's more just the thought of 'its a giant mixtape' rather than 'an event.' Shrug. I didn't understand it as a "giant mixtape" but rather an event where a small committee comes up with a card, asks for permission of using the neede edits, record matches, edits it into a full-scale event and then streams it. Different people can then be involved in the production process but at the top, you have the small booking committee. Obviously, ir order to have a good looking event, it would preferable to have the same person record the matches, in the same ring with the same setup (same mods too). |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 25, 2019 23:35:07 GMT
May I suggest going old school with the " imcompatible " edit issue?.. FPCPP's committee would have newer official edits go to Rookie Jar 1st to showcase themselves " As Is " against an edit that is set to gauge their compatibility with other edit. If there's some issue or we need to recommend tweaks to improve the edits, we would take them to Wondy's Dojo. This process is not mandatory but was an unwritten rule. This process would give us an idea on the compatibility of both edit and edit creator with others without effecting the showcase plan. At least, this three men committee already have a rough idea how the edit would perform. At the same time, this would give us a pool of edit to choose from when we need to book a match for the C!C Present. But if feds owner are submitting matches for consideration, shouldn't they already know how compatible these two edits are in a match? I get what you're saying in theory, but I personally think that's a bad idea. It gets into the problem that I think a lot of us have been wanting to avoid: discouraging new people, and feeding into the idea of negativity towards different styles of edits/new edit makers. Plus, then it starts to become a question of basically "Who are the tastemakers?" and that becomes this whole problematic and shitty holier-than-thou attitude towards edit-making and one style of making an edit being preferred over another. That also I think defeats the purpose of this whole thing even for "established" edit-makers as that gets them into the habit of just wanting to promote their known quantity edits rather than giving a shot to a "rookie" edit or even an edit whose logic or style they're experimenting with—to me at least this whole thing should be about pushing people to try and learn new things when it comes to making edits. It should be about seeing different approaches to edit-making, whether it's via logic or even just appearances. And for me, what's equally as important, is seeing people's approaches to how they present streams and matches as well. I want to be able to admire people's freecam work or their arena texture work or even just simple stuff like the person streaming doing rad overlays and splash screens and such. There's a lot more creativity to this community than just edit-making and I think this is a great chance to showcase that as well. But back to my original point: I'd just be worried that it would be pretty discouraging of new people, and actively encourages an attitude that I would hope this kind of supershow idea would actively discourage. Plus, if you go by SOAK's idea, people are submitting where they think their matches ought to end up on the card anyway, and the committee for that month's show has the power to make the final card order at the end of the day anyway. To put people through another hurdle of a "Jar"-style thing just seems a bit unnecessary and counterproductive to me. Edit: Also, referring to the post above... I thought the idea was to in fact completely avoid having the same arena/ring/mods (or lack thereof) completely. That was a huge selling point of this: to have things be not so strictly organized so as to show off the creative side of recording a match and things like texture-work and mod capabilities just as much as the logic behind edits. Whilst it sounds like I'm contradicting myself considering I defended Hana's suggestion to make rings I want to be clear that I am very much in favour of the "mixtape" approach to separate people having separate rings and recording styles and levels of production—I would just like, maybe every so often, to see a cohesive presentation if a committee submits a theme and a sense of visual cohesion makes sense for the theme. I still very much LOVE that "mixtape" idea though. I personally liken this to kind of a "highlights show" for the community. My only reservation is just that I hope people actively seek out collaborating with people whom they usually wouldn't think to do so with, and seeing different types of edits encourages that behaviour. My concern isn't for "clashing" visual styles or production between videos. I think that shit is actually really rad and eclectic and encourages people to go buck wild with things like mods, textures for arenas/rings, and video production/editing. Again, where I would be concerned is a "mixtape" approach to actually booking matches where we just see the same handful of edits from the same handful of edit-makers. |
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Mar 25, 2019 23:43:15 GMT
To add on, Dawn is talking about potentially doing a dojo model for people wanting to test out or learn logic. I think that format works better for people coming in wanting to learn, not someone being "sent" there because it was decided their edit wasn't good enough.
As for the "booking committee," I think it needs another name. We're coordinating the show- figuring out logistics, identifying what help we need from the community, and how we can present this in a way that's as inclusive as possible. The real creativity comes from the people who will submit their matches and/or edits (which, again, we havent figured out for sure how that will work yet).
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Post by Wonderland on Mar 25, 2019 23:51:14 GMT
Just to mitigate any potentially revisionist history, people asked me to be "dojo'd", I never forced anyone to do anything. And I always tried to make sure nothing felt pressured or forced onto their edits, rather asking what they want to accomplish then offering my two cents on how they can get what they want. Just saying.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Mar 25, 2019 23:58:58 GMT
Just to mitigate any potentially revisionist history, people asked me to be "dojo'd", I never forced anyone to do anything. And I always tried to make sure nothing felt pressured or forced onto their edits, rather asking what they want to accomplish then offering my two cents on how they can get what they want. Just saying. That may have been poor phrasing on my part, didnt mean to imply thats how it worked in the past (and I wasnt around to know how that process worked).
I meant that I just didnt want to create a rule that anyone would judge an edit, then deny entry until they had it "fixed." Not saying that was suggested, not saying that happened in the past. Just saying thats not something I would want to do going forward.
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Post by Wonderland on Mar 26, 2019 0:03:13 GMT
Wasn't directed specifically at your post Lanky, just read a few comments and thought I smelled something bubbling and stuck my finger in.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 26, 2019 0:06:07 GMT
Wasn't directed specifically at your post Lanky, just read a few comments and thought I smelled something bubbling and stuck my finger in. WHAT'S THAT I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF YOU BURYING THE YOUNG TALENT WONDER-HAITCH |
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Post by WMDBFX on Mar 26, 2019 0:07:25 GMT
Just to mitigate any potentially revisionist history, people asked me to be "dojo'd", I never forced anyone to do anything. And I always tried to make sure nothing felt pressured or forced onto their edits, rather asking what they want to accomplish then offering my two cents on how they can get what they want. Just saying. 😁 my bad bro.. I made it as if going to the dojo was like being sent to the principal. Sorry bout that. The point I was trying to make, is if compatibility is a concern then Jar style process is where everyone can gauge both edit and edit maker. However, since ( unless I'm getting this wrong ) feds are submitting matchups for consideration then compatibility shouldn't be an issue. If the 3 are the ones choosing who is being showcased and booking from a blank slate then we may sometimes do get bad matchups. |
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Post by TwistC on Mar 26, 2019 0:14:10 GMT
Compatibility shouldn't be too much of an issue as this is more of a set up super card then a tournament. Tournaments of course need more regulation to make it not a salt mine (and even then many do end up becoming problematic). Hopefully this style of shoe will allow most edits to shine
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Post by rsws on Mar 26, 2019 0:35:30 GMT
I really like some of the ideas being discussed here. I'm really glad we've created this community dialogue. I can't offer much in the way of technical help, as I'm running Fire Pro on a shitty laptop, but I would love to be a part of this. Even if I'm just submitting edits for matches. I'm not super well-known here, and some of my edits probably need work, but I live for this community stuff.
Really liking this community-wide discussion. c:
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Post by faulknasty on Mar 26, 2019 1:19:33 GMT
I'd like to see my edits in one these in the future. Still need a lot of work before they are ready.
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Post by soak314 on Mar 26, 2019 4:52:36 GMT
Alright, we have a functioning committee at the moment, with a few auxiliary peeps to help out. I said I was gonna randomize but people have settled down in the time I was away, so I'll just let it be.
The list of people who have expressed interest to book is as follows:
Twist - Current
LankyLefty - Current
Kaotic - Current
Mordecai
Maikeru
Xemyr
Will
People keen to help on visuals:
Mordecai
Dawn
People who can commentate:
JJB
Kaotic
If I've left you out, let me know.
***
I'll leave this thread open til the end of the month, at which point I'll ask the current team to post up how exactly they're going to run the show. Bookings will likely start from at least that point.
In the meantime, people can carry on expressing interest to help here. For booking in particular, your name will be added to the pool for use going forward.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Mar 26, 2019 5:47:17 GMT
Alright, we have a functioning committee at the moment, with a few auxiliary peeps to help out. I said I was gonna randomize but people have settled down in the time I was away, so I'll just let it be. The list of people who have expressed interest to book is as follows: Twist - Current LankyLefty - Current Kaotic - Current Mordecai Maikeru Xemyr People keen to help on visuals: Hana Mordecai Dawn People who can commentate: JJB Kaotic If I've left you out, let me know. *** I'll leave this thread open til the end of the month, at which point I'll ask the current team to post up how exactly they're going to run the show. Bookings will likely start from at least that point. In the meantime, people can carry on expressing interest to help here. For booking in particular, your name will be added to the pool for use going forward. Will volunteered as a future booker as well in this thread |
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Post by Princess Pepperoni on Mar 26, 2019 6:07:34 GMT
I'm personally not interested in making load screens, splash screens, or any of that sort. That type of graphic design isn't necessarily my favorite, and I have to currently endure it in relation to my own show that I've been finally piecing together after meeting my roster goal. That, coupled with the forum graphics I I make for my role-play board make it difficult to keep up.
I offered to make the wrestling ring, since I was under the impression that the show would be a show, and not a 'mix-tape.' Designing ring aprons, ring mats, ect, is one of my personal favorite things to do. It's fun for me, unlike the other stuff. Having learned that such isn't really needed for this project then there went my desired contribution for it. When it comes to graphic design, I prefer to offer my services instead of people asking me, since I don't like to have to tell anyone "no," so please do not come to me asking to make stuff. It's just awkward, and feels bad. It's not something I do for a living, and just something I do for fun since I enjoy it and taking requests makes things unenjoyable unless I'm passionate about the project.
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Mar 26, 2019 8:14:14 GMT
People twist my words, try to speak for me, and then use buzzwords like "revisionism" when all I did was offer to help.
I have better things to do than deal with this rehashed garbage every day.
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