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Post by soak314 on Mar 25, 2019 19:00:57 GMT
Kaotic up on number 3 slot!
If anyone else is keen the current slots will be dropped, and we'll do a randomisation at the end of the month. But for now you have your committee:
Twist
LankyLefty
kaotic
Play nice.
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Post by MordecaiXLII on Mar 25, 2019 19:14:35 GMT
@soak Sure I can help with the booking too! I'd be glad to help.
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Post by Severla on Mar 25, 2019 19:21:17 GMT
I'm getting slight heel heat already over it, but I'm not 100% sure this was the best 'jump right into it' idea without a little more groundwork.
I feel it's somewhat a bit too '3-man Highlight Reel crafting' and maybe a bit too literal on the 'collaboration' part instead of being a 'community event' like was discussed.
Going 'okay everyone just submit footage and we'll work with what we have' doesnt really invite fresh scenarios, and I think it just strengthens the secular path. It's not going to magically promote stepping out of safe-zones to see match-ups you're not used to.
Also we kinda just threw Hana's requested participation straight out of the window right out of the gate and that really confuses me.
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Post by joshthejerseyboy on Mar 25, 2019 19:39:20 GMT
If you guys need commentary id love to provide some. If anyone wants to join me even better
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Mar 25, 2019 19:45:05 GMT
*Also, @lefty, you're on. That's 2 of 3. Me and a few other people I know can take care of the streaming if the committee members for the month end up not able to stream. Everything's pre-recorded so there is the option of doing twitch premiere or the youtube equivalent. Twitch Premieres are Affiliate-Only now.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 25, 2019 19:53:32 GMT
I'm getting slight heel heat already over it, but I'm not 100% sure this was the best 'jump right into it' idea without a little more groundwork. I feel it's somewhat a bit too '3-man Highlight Reel crafting' and maybe a bit too literal on the 'collaboration' part instead of being a 'community event' like was discussed. Going 'okay everyone just submit footage and we'll work with what we have' doesnt really invite fresh scenarios, and I think it just strengthens the secular path. It's not going to magically promote stepping out of safe-zones to see match-ups you're not used to. Also we kinda just threw Hana's requested participation straight out of the window right out of the gate and that really confuses me. Word. Not to play contrarian, but I have this concern as well. If this is just... see as you go, awesome? But it seems a lot of decisions are just kinda being made unilaterally without any really discussions. Momentum is good and this kind of activity is much preferred to the wasteland this forum has been for a while but it seems things are just... moving forward without much actual discussion about things. None the less, I'm happy to throw my name in the hat for future committees and I'm also happy to provide any kind of promotional/splash screen/ring work along with Hana. I'm also happy to stream when/if I'm on the committee. I think a rad compromise might be to, say, depending on the committee, have some months where rings are created by Hana or someone else and used for that month. That can be up to the committees depending on themes and such, but to just... disregard her participation outright seems strange. I'm not for having just one ring or arena or whatever for the matches on a card but I feel like there's a compromise rather than just disregarding it outright. Whether that's some matches featuring it, or some months featuring a ring or arena design that everyone uses, it would be rad.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Mar 25, 2019 20:06:46 GMT
I'm getting slight heel heat already over it, but I'm not 100% sure this was the best 'jump right into it' idea without a little more groundwork. I feel it's somewhat a bit too '3-man Highlight Reel crafting' and maybe a bit too literal on the 'collaboration' part instead of being a 'community event' like was discussed. Going 'okay everyone just submit footage and we'll work with what we have' doesnt really invite fresh scenarios, and I think it just strengthens the secular path. It's not going to magically promote stepping out of safe-zones to see match-ups you're not used to. Also we kinda just threw Hana's requested participation straight out of the window right out of the gate and that really confuses me.
No heat, but I mentioned this on the discord too. It would be helpful to make a suggestion on what you'd like to see instead. Nothing is set in stone, this is just a starting point. We cant make it better if you just point out what you don't like. Give us an alternate path.
Or, throw your hat in as a committee person for a future show, and help shape it.
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Mar 25, 2019 20:10:30 GMT
I can also make ring graphics if necessary.
I will mention that my ability isn't as up to snuff as it used to be, and sometimes I get lucky with my results.
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Post by Severla on Mar 25, 2019 20:49:48 GMT
I did post thoughts on handling, and it's even similar to this format, but we went from discussion to straight 'okay this is how it's going' pretty damn quick lol. Echoing: Yeah, my suggestion was basically aimed at the 'maybe it shouldnt be a community e-fed' and absolutely just be a collaboration show. To pull the lukewarm heat off of 'I dont wanna see Hawk vs Hana again' path, simply look into a two-part option: 1) Offer rotation spots for the actual e-fed owners. We're discussing collaboration of multiple groups so let's not just throw out content because 'A' may stream more often than 'B' compared to 'C' who doesnt stream at all. Just give opportunity to show off their personal show stuff occasionally in the 'supershow' formats. RevPro's title being on Wrestle Kingdom and whatnot. It allows advertising for their own stuff while still being apart of the community collab. 2) Potentially just have a remaining pool of Edit-makers with a randomized 'these two guys will have a match together' setup. Allow this to be potentially overridden by requests (as maybe Will and I suddenly want two edits to have a match, tweak the random match-ups accordingly). The rotated-out e-fed owners can simply sit in this pool on their off-round. The reason I went with said format was to try and directly avoid secular matching, which I still think just saying 'give us your footage' heavily brings about.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Mar 25, 2019 21:20:58 GMT
Both of these suggestions are good ones, and totally doable in this current format.
I think the idea is to leave matches completely open (thus the idea of having them submitted to the committee). There isn't any reason for instance a Warrior Pro title match can't be on one of these shows (other than Doc Wyatt being a dick and me not wanting to give him anymore exposure than he already has). The fed owner would simply need to submit that match for the show.
Your other suggestion is also good, with one caveat. Right now one of the biggest complaints in tournaments is an edit maker getting stuck with a "bad" or more accurately "incompatible" edit. So we'll have to figure out the best way to handle that so both people don't feel screwed out of showcasing their edits in a match that didn't work. But a few dedicated matches on the card for "Free Agents", or people that couldn't find a match partner, is definitely worth exploring.
I get that some people think this call to action is too fast. Its also good to move while people are motivated and energetic about the idea. Maybe this format won't work. Thats ok, we'll adjust for the next one. There are A LOT of things that still haven't been figured out. Like when we'll actually run this show. Or how we'll actually have people submit matches. Or what the name will be (suggestions welcome). So don't think the brainstorming or suggestions needs to end. All that's happened so far is an outline of how to start, and a few volunteers trying to help coordinate the boring logistics.
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Post by soak314 on Mar 25, 2019 21:30:49 GMT
@sev all your suggestions are neat and could be a system implemented by the committee if you bring it up enough or get into the committee yourself. All of this is tentative, as said in the main post.
We also have a working week til the end of the month, which is plenty of time to sort out who the committee members will be (given some more interest), who'll be contributing in other ways, and even how many booking commitee members there can be at a time.
After that, they'll have a full month to discuss what they want, how they want to do it, if they even want to run at the end of april, etc. That is an enormous amount of time to get things sorted in a big variety of ways.
And again, it's all tentative.
But I will personally insist on pre-recording matches because this just makes the logistics so much easier.
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Post by Severla on Mar 25, 2019 21:43:10 GMT
Your other suggestion is also good, with one caveat. Right now one of the biggest complaints in tournaments is an edit maker getting stuck with a "bad" or more accurately "incompatible" edit. So we'll have to figure out the best way to handle that so both people don't feel screwed out of showcasing their edits in a match that didn't work. Oh Im fully aware, hence why I went with the 'random pool' idea at all. If you dont do that, then you get instances where 'nobody wants to work with [Edit maker]' and instead just out someone from stuff rather than accepting all comers. Also, I dont actually dislike pre-recording (Hawk did it in 49th and I think it works fine), it's more just the thought of 'its a giant mixtape' rather than 'an event.' Shrug.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Mar 25, 2019 22:04:02 GMT
Your other suggestion is also good, with one caveat. Right now one of the biggest complaints in tournaments is an edit maker getting stuck with a "bad" or more accurately "incompatible" edit. So we'll have to figure out the best way to handle that so both people don't feel screwed out of showcasing their edits in a match that didn't work. Oh Im fully aware, hence why I went with the 'random pool' idea at all. If you dont do that, then you get instances where 'nobody wants to work with [Edit maker]' and instead just out someone from stuff rather than accepting all comers. That's actually a really great point, and worth looking into as a means for new people to get their edits involved.
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Post by ninjabrute on Mar 25, 2019 22:33:32 GMT
I can understand Will and Severla's reservations as to things being done a certain way or too quickly, and frankly agree with at least half of what they post said in their posts but I feel like it'd be better to make mistakes and learn from them and do better each go round rather than 2 months go by and half the people's interest fades off into oblivion. There's nothing to be lost from jumping on the opportunity to put something together here and now and use it as a blueprint for how to, or how not to continue next time.
Xemyr even mentioned in the Discord that he feels like pre-recording can be an easy way out because you can just pick the best version of a match and not promote logic discussion/criticism that way. There's no reason whoever it putting together a show can make the decision to give each match one shot at recording (no do-overs), or for that matter streaming it live if the match booking doesnt call for anything complicated or require anything that those doing the show can't handle.
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Post by WMDBFX on Mar 25, 2019 22:55:41 GMT
May I suggest going old school with the " imcompatible " edit issue?..
FPCPP's committee would have newer official edits go to Rookie Jar 1st to showcase themselves " As Is " against an edit that is set to gauge their compatibility with other edit. If there's some issue or we need to recommend tweaks to improve the edits, we would take them to Wondy's Dojo. This process is not mandatory but was an unwritten rule.
This process would give us an idea on the compatibility of both edit and edit creator with others without effecting the showcase plan. At least, this three men committee already have a rough idea how the edit would perform.
At the same time, this would give us a pool of edit to choose from when we need to book a match for the C!C Present.
But if feds owner are submitting matches for consideration, shouldn't they already know how compatible these two edits are in a match?
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