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Post by jd on Mar 21, 2019 5:35:49 GMT
For the... severalth time across what must now be three or four different message boards (I swear the Fire Pro community must be part nomad) I am using a Fire Pro game to simulate my March Madness bracket because why not/to prove it is strongest/because it has to work eventually. The goal as always is to enter this into a group competition and beat at least a few people who actually know something about college basketball and who picked brackets to the best of their ability. One year it picked the eventual winner of the tourney and hence finished in the middle of the pack, most years it finishes dead last. Let's see how it goes this year! For those wondering about the hows of this experiment (the whys will never be adequately explained) I take a ranking of the relative strengths of the teams that made the tourney, via math make the number range roughly the same as the edit point range you'll see for edits in a Fire Pro game, and pick edits with roughly the same point value as each team. Edit points are not the best way to determine the relative strength of edits I know, but there's no other easy way to do this. Now this is the second year using Fire Pro World to simulate this and... okay I'll be frank with you, I haven't really played the game since last summer, I kinda fell out of the mood and spent my free time on other things. What this means is that this is the first time I've spent any time with the game since all the DLC came out and while I'm sure you've had these discussions before and am sick of them my god is dealing with edits a frickin' mess now if you don't have said DLC. Eventually I settled on having to check every possible workshop edit for the date of its last alteration and ignoring all that were after late September of last year, it took more than twice as long as it did last year and was very user-unfriendly. Poor job. Anyways~ The tourney itself was swell enough and almost produced a reasonable result, some random highlights: -Spot of the tourney was in the Giant Baba/DDP match. Baba was in control and hit his trademark 16 Ton Big Boot for the possible win, but was too gassed to follow up. He eventually caught his breath, took a step towards DDP to go for the pin but as he got there DDP got up and hit an immediate Diamond Cutter for a razor close 2.9 count! The match itself had a remarkably well paced sense of escalation and was finished off an avalanche cutter from the corner shortly after, which was the next/last big move following. -Barrington Hughes and pentagon had a 98% rated match the featured Barrington taking the tree of woe double stomp and hitting a high cross body off the top for a near fall. For those of you sadly unaware, this is Barrington Hughes: He is a beautiful man and he had a beautiful match. -Worker of the tourney was somehow Switchblade Jay White who in three matches had two be rated 100%. The first of the two was the more expected one in a victory against Naito, who would have won if he wasn't so tranquilo and decided to taunt after hitting his finish as opposed to going for the pin; he naturally walked right into a Bladerunner afterwards. The other was a more surprising match against Mark Henry that somehow went an in-game 33 minutes (maybe one or two other tourney matches hit 20). Jay was controlling the match but I'm pretty sure every Bladerunner but one was countered, and the one that hit was near a corner and resulted in a rope break. -Nathan Jones somehow delivered the highest rated opening round match in the first half of the tourney, reaching 90% against Shuji Ishikawa. Ignoring that percentage it was one of the best matches in the tourney to watch, Ishikawa literally throwing everything he had at Jones (and if you haven't seen Ishikawa wrestle, he both has a ton to throw and is the tallest active pro wrestler in japan barring any small indies I am unfamiliar with) as Jones kept getting up like some horror movie monster. Eventually Jones got his hands on him, hit a massive chokeslam and got the 3 count. He was rewarded with a match next round against the regional #1 seed... -Ric Flair, who blessed me with some wonderfully appropriate game logic "happy accidents". Literally the first move against Nathan Jones was a low percentage, high damage brass knux shot which Jones immediately no sold, followed up by a no sold Flair chop and Flair then begging off. Brought a tear to my eye. Flair in this match basically hit every cheap tactic the edit was given, including going back to the brass knux much later after being tossed to the outside and catching Jones when he followed him out. The match ended shortly later with I believe a low blow followed by a roll up (in my mind I know he was holding the tights). Flair moved on to face... -Mick Foley, against whom Flair hit the exact same move three to four times in a row: a kick straight to the knee. This match Flair hit only a couple cheapshots and instead just went after the leg non-stop, but he happened to walk into the ring with a psychotic brawler version of Foley who responded by punching Flair bloody and keeping at the wound non-stop. After that it was a race to see whether Flair would run out of blood before Foley's knee gave out. Foley just will not tap, and he won the war. -It was nearly a final battle between a #1 seed and a #2 seed, but Brock got upset and instead the Blade Runners exploded (lot of blade runner references today) as cinderella Sting faced off against an overpowered Ultimate Warrior! The 25+ year old dream match finally occurred and amazingly, despite all odds was actually a really good match, believe it scored a 91%. Warrior was in control early on and close to putting Sting away quick but gassed out (I know, what are the odds?) giving Sting a chance to fight back. Haymakers were thrown, 2.9 counts were had and eventually Sting got the victory with the scorpion deathlock. So yeah, according the Fire Pro Auburn is gonna win the national championship, place your bets while you still have the chance!
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Post by OrochiGeese on Mar 21, 2019 6:15:15 GMT
YES! JD! So glad to see you and continue in the March Madness tradition! Call it nostalgia but I get really happy when you, Senator, and I post within 24 hours. Takes me back to the height of the GameFAQS FPD board :) For the... severalth time across what must now be three or four different message boards (I swear the Fire Pro community must be part nomad) When we reach the 9th message board, we get our card stamped and recive the 10th one for free 😀 I am using a Fire Pro game to simulate my March Madness bracket because why not/to prove it is strongest/because it has to work eventually. The goal as always is to enter this into a group competition and beat at least a few people who actually know something about college basketball and who picked brackets to the best of their ability. One year it picked the eventual winner of the tourney and hence finished in the middle of the pack, most years it finishes dead last. Let's see how it goes this year! For those wondering about the hows of this experiment (the whys will never be adequately explained) I take a ranking of the relative strengths of the teams that made the tourney, via math make the number range roughly the same as the edit point range you'll see for edits in a Fire Pro game, and pick edits with roughly the same point value as each team. Edit points are not the best way to determine the relative strength of edits I know, but there's no other easy way to do this. Spike really needs to make a "March Madness" patch to aid in these pursuits! -Spot of the tourney was in the Giant Baba/DDP match. Baba was in control and hit his trademark 16 Ton Big Boot for the possible win, but was too gassed to follow up. He eventually caught his breath, took a step towards DDP to go for the pin but as he got there DDP got up and hit an immediate Diamond Cutter for a razor close 2.9 count! The match itself had a remarkably well paced sense of escalation and was finished off an avalanche cutter from the corner shortly after, which was the next/last big move following. That is an awesome spot!!!!! 😲👍 -Nathan Jones somehow delivered the highest rated opening round match in the first half of the tourney, reaching 90% against Shuji Ishikawa. Ignoring that percentage it was one of the best matches in the tourney to watch, Ishikawa literally throwing everything he had at Jones (and if you haven't seen Ishikawa wrestle, he both has a ton to throw and is the tallest active pro wrestler in japan barring any small indies I am unfamiliar with) as Jones kept getting up like some horror movie monster. Eventually Jones got his hands on him, hit a massive chokeslam and got the 3 count. He was rewarded with a match next round against the regional #1 seed... G'DAY!!-Ric Flair, who blessed me with some wonderfully appropriate game logic "happy accidents". Literally the first move against Nathan Jones was a low percentage, high damage brass knux shot which Jones immediately no sold, followed up by a no sold Flair chop and Flair then begging off. Brought a tear to my eye. Flair in this match basically hit every cheap tactic the edit was given, including going back to the brass knux much later after being tossed to the outside and catching Jones when he followed him out. The match ended shortly later with I believe a low blow followed by a roll up (in my mind I know he was holding the tights). Flair moved on to face... That is a beautiful opening to an FPW Flair match 👏 -It was nearly a final battle between a #1 seed and a #2 seed, but Brock got upset and instead the Blade Runners exploded (lot of blade runner references today) as cinderella Sting faced off against an overpowered Ultimate Warrior! The 25+ year old dream match finally occurred and amazingly, despite all odds was actually a really good match, believe it scored a 91%. Warrior was in control early on and close to putting Sting away quick but gassed out (I know, what are the odds?) giving Sting a chance to fight back. Haymakers were thrown, 2.9 counts were had and eventually Sting got the victory with the scorpion deathlock. That's great! What a perfect match to end the tournament and a perfect finish for the underdog too! So yeah, according the Fire Pro Auburn is gonna win the national championship, place your bets while you still have the chance! Auburn feeds off the heat of Fire Pro 🔥
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Post by NSL on Mar 22, 2019 5:29:27 GMT
Somewhere, Charles Barkley has the biggest grin.
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Post by TheDenizen on Mar 22, 2019 12:19:57 GMT
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Post by jd on Mar 29, 2019 5:07:58 GMT
YES! JD! So glad to see you and continue in the March Madness tradition! Call it nostalgia but I get really happy when you, Senator, and I post within 24 hours. Takes me back to the height of the GameFAQS FPD board :) It is always good to see you as well Geese although I must admit to finding it funny you always include me with yourself and Senator, you two remain pillars in the Fire Pro community while I, to paraphrase JBL of all people, for the most part am a dinosaur retired to the tar pits. Still good to poke my head out every so often and see what's up. Also while I don't need a "march madness" patch, a way to easily view an edit's total points would be a fairly easy to implement godsend. I'd go bother people on the mod board but apparently they all left >_> (I told you that you are all part-nomadic.) I waited to respond as I wanted a better idea how the whole thing is panning out, and by that I mean waiting for a convenient moment where things looked to be going better than they were... and it turns out that is today! The third round that started today gave my officially titled FiProWo~ bracket its first true bad beat but a few things also broke in my favor and not only am I not in last place, I'm not even in second to last place! I'm even within striking distance of the top 3 if things break perfectly tomorrow. Clearly this means that Fire Pro is the strongest... but we are gonna need some upsets starting almost immediately to prove that to the rest of the world (or the other half-dozen people in my group) so feel free to root for chaos. In the past at other places I would always post an image of the guy's face melting from the end of Raiders of the Lost Arc when my bracket went to hell, hopefully we can stave that off for a few more days~ And yes, if Auburn actually wins the whole thing I want some thanks from Charles Barkley towards both myself and Fire Pro.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Mar 29, 2019 5:59:05 GMT
It is always good to see you as well Geese although I must admit to finding it funny you always include me with yourself and Senator, you two remain pillars in the Fire Pro community while I, to paraphrase JBL of all people, for the most part am a dinosaur retired to the tar pits. Still good to poke my head out every so often and see what's up. I still very much miss the Mesozoic GFAQS period of which we were all a regular part 😁 I'm incredibly glad that you still come around when you do and that you are enjoying FPW! Do you watch the NBA? Would you consider doing the equivalent of March Madness but for the NBA playoffs? (April Anarchy brings May Mayhem brings June Jumble?) I'm curious to see who wins! Also while I don't need a "march madness" patch, a way to easily view an edit's total points would be a fairly easy to implement godsend. I'd go bother people on the mod board but apparently they all left >_> (I told you that you are all part-nomadic.) You mean FireProPC? They are around but I believe the majority of discussion takes place on their Discord rather than on the forum. Not only has this community become nomadic but it now grazes differently than it used to. More chat, less posts. I prefer the old ways. I am truly a dinosaur 🐱🐉 I waited to respond as I wanted a better idea how the whole thing is panning out, and by that I mean waiting for a convenient moment where things looked to be going better than they were... and it turns out that is today! The third round that started today gave my officially titled FiProWo~ bracket its first true bad beat but a few things also broke in my favor and not only am I not in last place, I'm not even in second to last place! I'm even within striking distance of the top 3 if things break perfectly tomorrow. Nice!! Go Fire Pro!! RNG forever! Clearly this means that Fire Pro is the strongest... but we are gonna need some upsets starting almost immediately to prove that to the rest of the world (or the other half-dozen people in my group) so feel free to root for chaos. In the past at other places I would always post an image of the guy's face melting from the end of Raiders of the Lost Arc when my bracket went to hell, hopefully we can stave that off for a few more days~ I always wait for the weekend to indulge in face melting. And yes, if Auburn actually wins the whole thing I want some thanks from Charles Barkley towards both myself and Fire Pro. I can 100% imagine Charles Barkley giving you a shout-out on a late Thursday night "Inside the NBA." 😁
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Post by jd on Mar 30, 2019 2:21:29 GMT
Do you watch the NBA? Would you consider doing the equivalent of March Madness but for the NBA playoffs? (April Anarchy brings May Mayhem brings June Jumble?) I'm curious to see who wins! I do watch the NBA, much more than I do college basketball at least. The trick would be in that I don't think there are as detailed team stats compared to NCAA ones due to both there being far fewer teams, and the fact that making it to the playoffs is a pure wins and losses deal as opposed to being selected by a committee who theoretically needs all the info they can get. That said... there are more detailed individual player stats, and while 5 on 5 would be more authentic to the sport (sadly we can't actually Fire Pro that) a top 4 player vs top 4 player 16 team tourney might be doable and a change of pace... Or I could pick whichever wrestler most reminds me of a team, Ultimate Warrior for Golden State, Minoru Tanaka vs Miami, Sheamus for Boston, etc. It'd be much less accurate but much much easier to actually set up and I am a very lazy man :P Also I dropped by today to let everyone know that Auburn upset the #1 seeded team in its region and that means Fire Pro is still strongest~
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Post by OrochiGeese on Mar 30, 2019 5:05:27 GMT
I do watch the NBA, much more than I do college basketball at least. The trick would be in that I don't think there are as detailed team stats compared to NCAA ones due to both there being far fewer teams, and the fact that making it to the playoffs is a pure wins and losses deal as opposed to being selected by a committee who theoretically needs all the info they can get. Ohhh I understand. The entire way the two tournaments are set up are different. And I suppose just doing a double bracket tournament based on playoff seeding wouldn't be quite as interesting. Could still be fun though 😁 Or I could pick whichever wrestler most reminds me of a team, Ultimate Warrior for Golden State, Minoru Tanaka vs Miami, Sheamus for Boston, etc. It'd be much less accurate but much much easier to actually set up and I am a very lazy man :P Due to the relative smaller amount of NBA playoff teams vs. NCAA teams, choosing the representative wrestler would be much more to your discretion. I think going based on "feel" could be fun though. Either that or you sim a full league (or two leagues for East and West) of wrestlers and have the league placement represent the NBA regular season league results leading into the playoff seeding. Also I dropped by today to let everyone know that Auburn upset the #1 seeded team in its region and that means Fire Pro is still strongest~ Fire Pro Au burning spirit 🔥
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Post by jd on Mar 31, 2019 3:36:46 GMT
I actually just looked at when the NBA playoffs start and it is literally a couple days or so before someone on work goes on vacation for over a week and hence leaves me to work all of the hours... so yeah if I do anything it will likely be very simple. Don't want to tease anything I can't possibly deliver :\
Also Fire Pro World bracket is currently sitting in the exact middle of my group and is an Auburn win and Duke loss away from things becoming very interesting. Both are unlikely (hence me crowing now) but I believe in Auburn/Sting and believe that Duke/Goldberg isn't as invincible as they initially seemed.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Mar 31, 2019 5:52:07 GMT
I actually just looked at when the NBA playoffs start and it is literally a couple days or so before someone on work goes on vacation for over a week and hence leaves me to work all of the hours... so yeah if I do anything it will likely be very simple. Don't want to tease anything I can't possibly deliver :\ Yeah, totally understand. And you already worked so much on March Madness. Don't worry too much about the NBA Playoffs! (I think that's the reverse of the Warriors mentality, LOL). Sounds like you'll need to use your free time exactly the way you want given how little of it you'll have around that time. That is annoying though that you have to work so much right when the NBA playoffs start too!! I love the first round and seeing all the possibilities and watching like 2-3 games at once on a weekend day. Helps me catch up with the teams I wasn't as aware of during the regular season. Made me a fan of Utah last year and I hope to be impressed by other teams this year too. Also Fire Pro World bracket is currently sitting in the exact middle of my group and is an Auburn win and Duke loss away from things becoming very interesting. Both are unlikely (hence me crowing now) but I believe in Auburn/Sting and believe that Duke/Goldberg isn't as invincible as they initially seemed. "Bah gawd, Auburn's coach just handed their point guard a stun gun! The ref isn't calling it!" 😲 "The court carnage!" "The broken brackets!"
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Post by jd on Apr 1, 2019 5:03:00 GMT
Also Fire Pro World bracket is currently sitting in the exact middle of my group and is an Auburn win and Duke loss away from things becoming very interesting. Both are unlikely (hence me crowing now) but I believe in Auburn/Sting and believe that Duke/Goldberg isn't as invincible as they initially seemed. ...Huh, well that actually happened >_> Long story short, I'm the only person in my group who can still earn any points as I am the one guy who was crazy enough to pick Auburn, and no one else has anyone in their final match-up left alive. This means two things: 1.) It is impossible for the Fire Pro World bracket to finish below third place, which is amazing as again it is a basketball bracket picked by a wrestling game. 2.) The bracket can actually finish in first place and win the whole group... and it doesn't even need Auburn to win the championship to do so. If Auburn merely wins its next game against #1 seed Virginia that will give me... nay, us enough points to win the whole thing. That game takes place the day before Wrestlemania, and the wrestler that represented Virginia in the tourney was... Brock Lesnar. That weekend there will be seventy thousand people chanting "slay the beast!"; may they get their wish. Also most of the NBA playoff games will take place in the evening so while I likely won't be able to stay awake for the ending of the later west coast games I should be able to catch much of it. The Jazz is a good team to watch but I'm kinda interested in seeing how Denver does this year. They may end up with the #1 seed out west and their best player Jokic is the most unathletic looking player in the league but my god that doughy man can pass. Also even if I don't get to run an NBA playoffs Fire Pro tourney this year due to extenuating circumstances it is still a solid idea you had their OG and there is always next year perhaps~
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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 1, 2019 6:17:29 GMT
Long story short, I'm the only person in my group who can still earn any points as I am the one guy who was crazy enough to pick Auburn, and no one else has anyone in their final match-up left alive. This means two things: Nice!! 👍 1.) It is impossible for the Fire Pro World bracket to finish below third place, which is amazing as again it is a basketball bracket picked by a wrestling game. I've always said that Fire Pro can simulate all styles around the world...just never quite realized that basketball was one of them!! Dunk Road 😎 2.) The bracket can actually finish in first place and win the whole group... and it doesn't even need Auburn to win the championship to do so. If Auburn merely wins its next game against #1 seed Virginia that will give me... nay, us enough points to win the whole thing. That game takes place the day before Wrestlemania, and the wrestler that represented Virginia in the tourney was... Brock Lesnar. That weekend there will be seventy thousand people chanting "slay the beast!"; may they get their wish. This is one of the most compelling reasons I've ever heard to root against Brock! Also most of the NBA playoff games will take place in the evening so while I likely won't be able to stay awake for the ending of the later west coast games I should be able to catch much of it. The Jazz is a good team to watch but I'm kinda interested in seeing how Denver does this year. They may end up with the #1 seed out west and their best player Jokic is the most unathletic looking player in the league but my god that doughy man can pass. The Jazz was my favorite upstart team last year but I agree with you that Denver is incredibly fun to watch. I still remember how heartbroken they were last year to miss out on the playoffs by 1 game. I love watching Jokic play and hope that this isn't one of those top ranked Western teams that fall immediately in the playoffs as we've seen throughout history. I think Toronto avoids a repeat of their fate as well. Jokic is like a 90's All Japan heavyweight who looks out of shape but somehow wrestles for 30 minutes 😀 Also even if I don't get to run an NBA playoffs Fire Pro tourney this year due to extenuating circumstances it is still a solid idea you had their OG and there is always next year perhaps~ I sure hope there is a next year! I don't want the choice of "VOID" to win March Madness or the NBA Playoffs in 2020! 🤣 Maybe when we get a final four in the NBA playoffs, I'll run a tournament or battle royale with the "Four Pillars of Heaven" matched up to their equivalent NBA teams and see who wins. I don't know who the Warriors would be but I'm thinking Kawada only because Kevin Durant has that look in big games now. Like his ability to shoot 3-pointers from way outside the line that seal games is essentially Kawada kicking someone in the face.
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Post by Senator Phillips on Apr 1, 2019 16:56:43 GMT
I'd like to think that Draymond Green is closer to being Kawada. Manu Ginobli was Yoshinari Ogawa for sure.
Oh shoot, now I need to do this outright, NBAJPW:
Rikidozan = Bill Russell (Both could swat things prolifically and were the birth of modernity in their respective fields) Giant Baba = Kareem Abdul Jabaar (Tall, lanky, dominant, ridiculous longevity) Mitsuharu Misawa = Magic Johnson (Flashy, beloved innovator who ended up in the front office) Kenta Kobashi = Charles Barkley (Dynamic presence who could devastate opposition with explosiveness and gained stature moving to another organization past their physical prime) Toshiaki Kawada = Draymond Green (Mentioned above) Akira Taue = Dikembe Mutombo (Clunky but strangely agile big man) Jun Akiyama = Scottie Pippen (The sidekick who could do everything well and ascended to legend status) Genichiro Tenryu = Tim Duncan (Old man presence even when younger, seemed to get better with age) Bruiser Brody = Bill Laimbeer (Big dangerous guys who could mess you up bad outside the rulebook) Yoshinari Ogawa = Manu Ginobli (already mentioned)
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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 2, 2019 4:47:01 GMT
Wow, love that post!!!! You are so spot on with all of those! 👍
My favorites are:
Did you see Duncan's great speech honoring Manu? The most I've ever heard him talk. He got better with age in terms of ability but yeah, old man presence all the way. He may be Benjamin Buttoning right now though with his energy and desire to tell jokes 😁
And Brody/Bill was especially inspired comparison 😀
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Post by jd on Apr 7, 2019 3:16:27 GMT
Well... we came close. Really really really close. Agonizingly close. Literally one second away from history... we fall just a bit short.
For today Fire Pro is not proven to be strongest, just third strongest. Granted you never call that foul with a second left to give the other team 3 foul shots down by 2, and it totally was a double dribble a few seconds prior, but this is a wrestling board and we live with questionable refereeing.
Still Fire Pro World did astonishingly well! It picked two of the final four teams, beat numerous brackets picked by people trying to win and who actually watch college basketball, and was the only one to live through every weekend of the tournament. It was probably my fault for putting March in the topic title as the magic couldn't quite last through April.
The other silver lining is if I won this year and Fire Pro finally won... would I do it all again next year and the year after or would I find some other challenge? Would I no longer drop in to see how OG and the rest of the Fire Pro... OGs are doing? Perhaps the real victory was all the friends we made along the way.
...No that's dumb. Stupid one second :(
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