Tips for longer simmed matches?

... so, out of curiosity, what would you give Bigelow in both offense (of which he showed none) and defense? Because to me, he seemed absolutely clueless in a real fight against someone who has trained to be a professional fighter and not a showman.



It was a worked sumo match, not an actual sumo bout. Using it as any kind of metric for Big Show, MMA Juggernaut would be counterintuitive. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you brought it up...



Okay, so I'm going to just ask this - are you putting random pins and submissions other than what is meant to credibly finish a match -- the Figure Four for Flair, the Double Chickenwing/WAR Special for Steamboat -- in near death? Because if so I would say that that's flagrantly incorrect. Not even Spike does this anymore, because they had NO reason to keep doing this after creating Priorities to make sure that a match ends on the moves they absolutely want it to end on. This is why I was kind of probing at the idea of whether or not you put a pinning move followup priority for, say, a backdrop suplex in large damage (hint: you probably should, given the era and the kind of match you're trying to emulate).

I think that you're assuming I'm mad that you're using "medium damage" grapples late-match, which is not at all the point. I'm saying that every move has its purpose and, if it was a move usually followed up with a pinfall, you should make sure that happens with priorities in CPU Logic. The way you're explaining it to me makes it sound like you're wholly reliant on RNG for the followups, which is... bad. Especially super late in a match.

He's got very high stats all around and admits he has max limb strength and spirit in skills, etc.

His Edit basically is a monster in that regard, and we're actively trying to talk to the original poster about how you dont need to be such to build a good SIM AI.

It's fine, really, that he's building his Edits for personal use and whatnot. The argument is basically being brought about because he's showing off his AI to a new guy who wants to offer his Edits to the masses and asked for help in doing it.

So CM Punk gets a 1 in MMA stats?

I'd say that's fair! At least for defenses. And that his striking/punch and submission defenses in an MMA setting should also be lowered accordingly, as he was unable to put up much of a resistance when grounded.

At best he should be given maybe a token point in MMA overall offense to indicate that he has actually done some MMA training... not that it helped him much.

FWIW, I think Okada and Omega are more or less fine, but that's because I'm playing favorites a tad. :D I think the default versions simulate against one another fine, it's just a matter of personal taste for certain things that Okada in particular does like finishing off the Cobra Hold. I believe he used it somewhat frequently while wrestling on the undercard in recent months, but I can see why one would want him to mostly do the Rainmaker.

I think the problem is that cycklops is displaying a bit of a lack of understanding of what he's doing with his edits, and I'm kind of trying to draw that out bit by bit. No offense to him. It's just that I think critique should be heeded.

I think the biggest red flag, more than any arguments about parameters being too high or too low, is that he seems to be indicating that he feels as if moves that are thrown out late match don't need a specific followup. And with that, the idea that maybe he's committing like the cardinal sin/rookie mistake that everyone needs to be deprogrammed from making - putting random pins and weardown submissions in near-death/critical health, the chief cause of bad match finishes.

Like, I'm not even innocent of doing it - I got two separate "Dude, why'd you do this?!" PMs from soak and Wonderland about this, lol. My personal wrestle-avatar finished an extremely high octane and neck-and-neck match with a fucking snap suplex, lol. I was still under the assumption that randomness in ND = good, without thinking of what would happen when my edit does a move that probably should not pin late in the match.

Granted, at any rate, I don't prio EVERY move my dudes do in large, but if it's usually followed by a cover, I'm gonna make sure that cover usually happens with a priority, even if it's not set to 100%. Or I'm going to take a liberty and go, "on second thought, maybe this shouldn't be done so late."

Thats what we in the biz call "good/10"

The way to have ric flair consistently pin after a back drop AND have him never win with it would be to not let the backdrop happen in large I'd presume. If you want them to be in small and medium for longer to compensate you could lower the attack params. Other then that, you may just have to bite the bullet with flair potentially finishing with it or lacking that part of his matches.