Battlefront Championship "promotion to 2nd" poll

What exactly is a Battlefront Championship?

I feel like your opening sentence right here basically answers the question of whether or not the Battlefront championship should be the #2 title of the community, or even considered an official community title at all. Since 2018, it has only been featured on shows run by you, and it is now currently 2022. It is in no particular way a community title, it's simply one of your titles for your fed.

Frankly, I don't see why or how any of the championships mentioned in this post can really be considered "official" titles of this community. Who aside from yourself can even name the current holders of these titles? In many instances, the creators of the edits vying for these titles aren't even noteworthily active in the community anymore, some are entirely MIA, and some are even literally deceased. I don't see how a title that does not involve the current community can be called a community title at all.

If you absolutely insist on maintaining a community-contested title that you'd like others to view as "official", I really think you should just pick a single one and throw all your weight behind just that one, instead of trying to prop up several effectively defunct championships that don't even have populated-enough divisions to support them anymore. To me, the Internet title looks like the only one even worth keeping alive at all, since it at least has something of an interesting history, and it's free-floating nature invites other showrunners to join in so that it is not exclusive to only your events.

This game has been out for more than four years now; there aren't enough incoming rookies at this stage to keep the Grand Prix title afloat. The ANARCHY title appears to be dead as a doornail and there isn't much of a deathmatch scene around to revive it anyways. The World Title doesn't appear to be considered a top title by the community at all. The Battlefront title has such strange stipulations on it that few other than you can even follow how it changes hands, and has never come across as particularly popular. I don't see why the community needs to be consulted about the fates of these championships at all; they're all just your titles for your fed now.

Honestly, your relentless insistence that the things you do are the "official" shows of this community has done you no favors in actually attracting participants. It's time to downsize and simplify if you are truly interested in doing anything representative of the community as a whole, because clearly everyone here has trouble keeping up with all of this, and interest has waned dramatically over the years. You need to do something the community actually wants to participate in if you want to make it an official community matter.

So...that's a lot.

And I in fact have a response to that "a lot", which took me quite a bit of time to write, and you should know that I had to take a very deep inhale and exhale before deciding to in fact press the Create Post button to reply.

And only a bit of that "a lot" actually involved the Battlefront Championship, so everything else that isn't that got spoilered for length.

*AHEM*

I typed this all out on the fly, so I apologize in advance if any addressing of the important points sounds less than diplomatic.

Now, to start, I do feel I should point out a couple things:
1 - I didn't create the Battlefront Championship, and the original stipulation WAS the Royale Attrition match. If I'd created it, it would've much more simply been a battle royale belt.
2 - That being said, the only belts I did create myself for the fed were the Cruiserweight belt, and attempting to reboot the Joshivision and FPCMMA belts into new Women's and Dodekagon belts.
-- Related to that, as Zealot was the one who'd originally wrote the FPCMMA rules back on Fire Pro Club (I did recently find a copy of the old FPC post that I'd saved, but I guess it's too little too late), and then tried to run Hybrid S-1 here himself while Brick was running HONOO, none of any issues that arose from those were my responsibility, though I hoped they would've been successful and long-running things and I'd hoped they'd be open to crossing over their S-1 and SWA things with DODEKAGON's Gruesome stuff. Only one guy did, and his edit is the reigning DODEKAGON Champion.
3 - I've never at any point said that I would be or wanted to be "the boss" (I could just literally do that for my own fed and post it in the e-fed section), and from the very first show I ran (ARENA Rising 2018), I did make it clear very often that I was hoping other people would want to join in and also do events and special stuff in an official capacity.
Some people did, some people even made an effort to do long-running stuff for the Community (previously mentioned Hybrid and HONOO, Kaotic's PWR, Lanky's Lankyverse, BFX doing CERBERUS, NSL continuing doing Star Of The Jar, and even Will's SHTCW open-signup belts).


So if I can specifically address each of you now...

Dan:
Thinking on it, I think you're absolutely right that in the events I run, I should focus on much fewer belts and "throw all my weight behind it" as you so well put it. Especially if I'm still so dead-set on keeping at least the stuff I'm doing afloat.
Concerning the Internet Championship itself specifically, since KingRadical doesn't seem active enough anymore to "preside" over it and I've been the only one booking it for a while (which in my defense is because people weren't reserving it for a while), I was intending on (shock of all shocks) doing a reboot at the Rising event with a refreshed edition (which admittedly doesn't help the whole "FM just does what FM wants" thing) under a completely new open-challenge belt, holding invitationals alongside the free agent matches I've mainly been doing with it, and not just seeing Hummer Holt of Mordecai's group Kokushi-Musou winning every single defense for several matches. Whether the rebooted version succeeds or not is entirely up to whether people decide they want their edits to fight for it or not, and if it doesn't have legs enough for Community involvement, at least the Internet Title will still probably be here, it just won't be booked by me anymore for events after April 30th.

World Championship - I do think the World Championship still has value here (15 years is too much history to just abandon) and should still be something worth fighting for, and I really hope more people actually decide they want to book it for their own Community events.
Cruiserweight and Women's Championships - I still believe in these 2 belts, which is why I wanted to create and reboot them (respectively), but since interest in both did admittedly drop a fair amount of time ago, I'll do free agent matches and sign-up invitationals, because I do think seeing showcases of the Junior-specific and Women-specific edits made by the Community are something worth doing regularly.

For the ANARCHY Championship, I have always thought and still do think BFX should be the main guy who runs it, and whenever he holds events, that's when it'll be put on the line, regardless of how frequent/infrequent that may be, I'll be completely hands-off on booking for this one, though I hope it still sees activity. Deathmatches are fun. :)


Dawnbreaker:
Firstly, WOW, there is SO MUCH to unpack in your blatant unadulterated hatepost, that to address all of it beyond pointing out how almost each thing is wrong would need an entire separate thread.
Like, holy fuck, your hate-boner is showing 100%. And also, SO MUCH of it happens to be factually wrong, and almost all of it is completely off-topic from the actual subject of this thread.
I am politely requesting that you edit your post and put literally all the non-Battlefront-related bullshit into a spoiler.

For example, I'm spoilering this first part for length and for not being 100% relevant to the Battlefront Championship:



Now I'm going to address the two actually important and relevant parts of your what-amounts-to word vomit.

Battlefront Championship - You're 100% right that it doesn't mean anything to anyone. That's WHY I wanted to try and rehab it into being the 2nd-tier belt for the fed, BECAUSE it wasn't being defended more than once or twice. And instead of going "why the fuck are you talking about a belt that only got defended a few times" (I'm talking about it BECAUSE it only got defended a few times, and it's a legacy belt), maybe you could instead either offer ideas for it, or simply shut the fuck up about it altogether. Instead, you chose to be a fucking asshole about it.
It's also the only other belt in the original inherited set of belts (besides the World belt) that was a "regular" openweight belt (as I mentioned in the original post, the Grand-Prix belt was for rookies, like the NXT Championship before that was actually a thing, and the Internet belt was created when World came out and wasn't even officially affiliated with CRITICAL! Club), and when you have people basically waiting for a shot at the World belt between "PPV"-scale events, there needs to be a 2nd-tier belt that they can fight for, where a bunch of people can be in a match at once and it not be "out of place" as a regular occurrence. My line of thinking behind wanting to do this is along the lines of how a struggling wrestler can be believably built up into a main-event contender in a matter of like a couple months if there's motivation and effort being put behind him (I currently refer to this idea as the "B-Team/Major Bros Build Back Better Plan").

And again, it's a legacy belt, and if I'd dropped it, you'd instead be complaining that I was shitting on the history of the community. You don't get to have it both ways, let alone just act like an asshole about it without any provocation.

And unlike when the previous bookers ran things and created belts, I'm at least being up-front and transparent about things and in fact requesting community involvement in said things.
It's not my fault if you and people like you choose to instead shit all over it.


(Related, I do regret not being able to run anything in 2020 and try to drum up more involvement for that, that's all on me for my sub-brand of the fed.
But I'm gonna ask you again: who else was running community events and how often?)

Now for your other stuff (also spoilered for length):

I don't want to type a novella, but here's what I have to say.

No one really cares about this project because you haven't engaged within our current active-fed community at all, for example no one has voted yet because no one cares enough to click. However, what do we care about is representation and the majority of us feel offended with your insistence to have an overarching e-fed which isn't needed in our modern community. I mean, you got Firehawk to write to post and if you knew him, you would know he tends to keep things private and close to the nest. We honestly do not need an overarching umbrella which dictates our "importance" in our community. Within our circle of active shows we all work together anyway, and not one championship is more important than the other. We just have fun, and we create bits and fuck Jesta for not telling me what toothpaste he used to brush his teeth two weeks ago. If you were active and showed effort in communicating with us, you would realize that the heart of the e-fed community exists within ourselves already. 15 years? Cool beans.

Not that I wish to take part of this firestorm because I'm too old for this, but I wanted to clarify one thing here:



I do not take credit for any input in the creation of FPCMMA. I do remember requesting a copy of the rules previously to make my own MMA edit and use it as a base for an older fed of mine, but I believe the original creator(s) was sluggbugg. I'm not 100% sure, but Senator and Omen may have had a say as well. Regardless, MMA logic in Fire Pro is hard and I don't feel qualified enough to really say anything on that matter less write a set of rules regarding fair simulation.

That being said, I don't really know what's been going on recently regarding this or much in the community these last 2 years, but I know a lot has changed since the FPCPP days. I can appreciate FM's determination in continuing the project. However, I don't want it to come at the expense of both the promotion runner(s) and the community encountering the same pitfalls that have occurred in the past. And I definitely don't want to see it lead to unnecessary bickering and fighting.

i think that, if the vast majority of the community that runs streams and has regularly updated threads here already does crossover stuff with one another in some way or another (shows with one another's edit wrestlers on them, mainly), there's not really much point in having an official crossover fed/title

and honestly, it seems like anything with actual or perceived official status seems to bring out the worst in those involved with it, so i dunno if it's really worth it to try and run something like that anymore. not a judgment on you personally, whatsoever, just an observation based on prior personal experiences and watching from the sidelines.