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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 21:54:25 GMT
Do we have any ideas of the fan base size in the US? PS4 and PC?
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Post by ligerbear on Jan 17, 2020 2:18:38 GMT
Great question. I have wondered this as well. Even more specifically how big the fanbase is in Japan in comparison to everywhere else.
For starters how big is the membership on this site? No idea if that would help in any in figuring out the total population of players since it is a niche game.
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Post by sofia on Jan 17, 2020 2:37:40 GMT
Pretty tiny, I'd guess. This site has a tad more than 1,000 total registered users, but we usually have a fraction of that.
As it is, the game has about 100-150 players on Steam at any given time. For comparison, the bottom game of the top 100 list on Steam's own stats page at the time of this post, Fallout New Vegas, has 20-30 times that many people playing right now.
Needless to say, the fanbase is a small, dedicated group of maniacs at this point, both in the US and Japan.
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Post by fullMETAL on Jan 17, 2020 4:10:55 GMT
I would guess maybe a maximum possibly-known size about maybe somewhere between 40-50,000 total fans, but most of that number being in the US, and all of the base spread out a bit too far to make any real dent by themselves?
Super niche and definitely never gonna be WWE numbers, or even the number of people who care about NJPW, which is literally licensed for use in World, but it's at least better than nothing.
It would take some big-time big-audience YouTubers actually bothering to learn to play the game properly to get their own fanbases interested, because Game Grumps and even Super Best Friends Play (who are HUGE fans of wrestling games and have been tired of WWE's shit for years) did not do World any favors with their videos of them going into matches completely blind.
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Post by TigerStripePro on Jan 17, 2020 5:50:39 GMT
I would guess maybe a maximum possibly-known size about maybe somewhere between 40-50,000 total fans, but most of that number being in the US, and all of the base spread out a bit too far to make any real dent by themselves? Super niche and definitely never gonna be WWE numbers, or even the number of people who care about NJPW, which is literally licensed for use in World, but it's at least better than nothing. It would take some big-time big-audience YouTubers actually bothering to learn to play the game properly to get their own fanbases interested, because Game Grumps and even Super Best Friends Play (who are HUGE fans of wrestling games and have been tired of WWE's shit for years) did not do World any favors with their videos of them going into matches completely blind. Thankfully New Legacy Inc has been using, albeit it not of late, Fire Pro to great success. |
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Post by unimportantguy on Jan 17, 2020 10:13:13 GMT
Steamspy estimates maybe 50k-100k total owners but I have no idea how they come to that number. maikeru's numbers on activity are backed up by my own glance through databases. FP was always a niche of a niche, but my impression is World's sales are even smaller than Returns' were. I think they banked on selling more on Japanese PS4 than they did. It only sold ~24k units in the first two weeks on PS4 in Japan before dropping off the charts entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 12:35:38 GMT
So a real life convention might be difficult, but getting presence at one of the hundreds of "Cons" that go on these days might be interesting. If we are talking 5,000-10,000 or so fans, that's spread pretty thin across the country. Hmm.
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Post by amsterDAN on Jan 17, 2020 16:33:42 GMT
I guess one question you'd need to grapple with first before you could even start making a proper estimate is: What exactly do we mean by a member of the fanbase? Just anyone who owns a copy of the game? A person above a certain playtime threshold? Someone whose Fire Pro play has some sort of online footprint in a forum or e-fed? Is it anyone who has expanded their game with at least one DLC? (I think sales figures of the most recent DLCs might actually tell us more about who is still playing nowadays than base game sales.) So what makes someone a proper FPWW fan?
Frankly, as someone who scours just about every English-speaking Fire Pro forum every single day, I find an estimate even as low as 5000 proper fans in the USA to be an extremely hopeful figure. To me that does not intuitively feel correct at all, and a figure of 10k is just laughable; we're definitely nowhere near that. The reddit only has 7.7k members, and you can be certain the majority of those are not particularly active users. There are large blocks of each day where not a single person is streaming Fire Pro on Twitch, and on other days I recognize every single streamer as a regular of this forum here. If I was to venture a guess I might go as low as about 1000 people who truly have an active, daily interest in Fire Pro in the USA.
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Post by eskiman on Jan 17, 2020 16:54:37 GMT
I assume those of us living in the UK/Europe are probably banded in with the US userbase?
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Post by wakigatame on Jan 17, 2020 19:36:10 GMT
I'm almost certain I read a sales figure for the US PS4 version after launch and it was like 8,000 sold.
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Post by fullMETAL on Jan 18, 2020 1:03:26 GMT
While newLEGACYinc touting World to their fans has helped a lot, they still only have 90k subscribers on YouTube, while Game Grumps has over 5 million (700k of which saw them bumble through World and make the deepest, tightest wrestling game ever look like a dumpster fire in the process), Super Best Friends' main channel still has almost 750k (even though they've been split up for like a year and a half now) and the 98k people who saw their Fire Pro video saw them also not even bothering to learn the game even though Matt & Pat made a more sincere effort than Arin & Dan to get into it, and Matt & Woolie's individual channels have almost 230k and a bit over 150k respectively but they haven't gone back to it. Chris Denker's got 1.29 million subs on his YouTube, but even his signal boosting of Fire Pro this past year hasn't gotten nearly as many consistent views (and as a result, that sweet sweet turnover) as his WWE 2k videos. Fire Pro needs help audience-wise, and that help's gotta come from a really big name, with a lot more subs than even DenkOps, who will make sure to learn the game properly and make sure to hammer home to their viewers to ALSO learn the game properly. Otherwise we're getting another Grumps situation on our hands. I would guess maybe a maximum possibly-known size about maybe somewhere between 40-50,000 total fans, but most of that number being in the US, and all of the base spread out a bit too far to make any real dent by themselves? Super niche and definitely never gonna be WWE numbers, or even the number of people who care about NJPW, which is literally licensed for use in World, but it's at least better than nothing. It would take some big-time big-audience YouTubers actually bothering to learn to play the game properly to get their own fanbases interested, because Game Grumps and even Super Best Friends Play (who are HUGE fans of wrestling games and have been tired of WWE's shit for years) did not do World any favors with their videos of them going into matches completely blind. Thankfully New Legacy Inc has been using, albeit it not of late, Fire Pro to great success. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 2:49:46 GMT
I am fine with a small passionate base, I just want to figure out how to get the most of them together IRL in a cool city.
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Post by view619 on Jan 18, 2020 9:43:47 GMT
I would assume somewhere between 100 to 500 active players, excluding Japan.
If the Japanese player base is similar, maybe 1000 total.
It definitely doesn't seem like a game with thousands of active players.
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Post by fullMETAL on Jan 19, 2020 0:21:50 GMT
Which begs the question: would we consider it more important to have a lot of people owning the game (but aren't playing it), or to have that chunk of those players who are?
(It could work as a question for pretty much any game in general, but right now it's just about Fire Pro)
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Post by mur96 on Feb 6, 2020 23:32:56 GMT
I have a really small YouTube streaming channel in spanish (so we can cut out like a good margin of potential users watching) with 3-5 people commonly (I had 10 once). When I streamed Fire Promoter as a one-off (and did some really stupid shit with the game) I got the usual number of total views, which is not really helpful. My friends liked what I did with it I guess.
I would love to put time and energy in a 100% English Fire Pro Channel but I wpuld need to target a direct video making style for it so the videos are both entertaining and helpful and... I just have lots of projects.
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