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Post by Severla on Oct 18, 2019 7:06:14 GMT
Fortnite is a free to play live service game relying on micro-transactions and multiple season passes. TECHNICALLY Fortnite costs 40$/60$. The Battle Royale is free. They worked on a game for 6 years, charged a fee for it, then basically shit-canned it after the Battle Royale mode caught wind in the sails. Even two years later I dont think the PvE mode (the ORIGINAL GAME) is finished. That company gives no shits about its playerbase, only their wallets. |
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Post by IamAres on Oct 18, 2019 7:07:09 GMT
One thing I do wish they had done, what I would have done, is put a system in place, from the very beginning, where any dlc part/move/resource corresponds to one in the base game, and if you don't have that DLC, it just defaults to that.
Don't have the NJ DLC? The Kenny Omega you downloaded off the workshop will have the old lightning designs and not the new cool ones, a regular piledriver instead of the doublearm, random grunts instead of his catchphrases, etc. You'd get inferior versions of guys, maybe unrecognizably so, but they'd be usable.
It would be a lot of work (probably too much) to implement now, but it wouldn't have been from the beginning. It would keep edits from being locked off for people who didn't have the dlc. Granted, smackdown didn't do this either, and they've been doing it a lot longer, but I just don't feel like they thought that part through.
That said, we don't even know what we're getting in terms of parts/resources. You're obviously assigning stuff (taunts, parts, etc) for entrances, but I don't know if that in itself would make the edit unusable for people without the dlc if those parts aren't new. We'll have to see.
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Oct 18, 2019 9:29:20 GMT
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Post by jbravos on Oct 18, 2019 13:23:27 GMT
I dont know why people complain about the $20 price...ok the last New Japan DLC with what was it 6 guys? was not worth $20 I dont think Stardom was worth $20 either. But Hello people its a business & they need to make a profit in order to make these mods to a game thats 2 years old. Most company's like 2K come out with a new game every year & get fools to pay $60-$70 for their game system & normally by the time the game comes out Its already outdated. This game has been great to have custom wrestlers,rings,belts is fantastic. You can make it how you want it not settle for what they give you. I will buy this DLC & see how it goes. Giving up one slot for entrance attire is fine it makes the game more real to me.
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Post by dnmt on Oct 18, 2019 14:45:37 GMT
Overall I'm not trying to be mean or rude but I do not have a problem insulting people who complain about this. Were they there when we were over on the FPW Arena dreaming about there being a new Fire Pro? We waited, what, literally a decade for this game to come out? The people complaining have absolutely no perspective on this issue and are treating Spike as if they are a Triple A company. That's what really makes me angry, no sense of context or nuance, just "UHH DLC BAD WE WANT FREE".
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Oct 18, 2019 15:50:55 GMT
Overall I'm not trying to be mean or rude but I do not have a problem insulting people who complain about this. Were they there when we were over on the FPW Arena dreaming about there being a new Fire Pro? We waited, what, literally a decade for this game to come out? The people complaining have absolutely no perspective on this issue and are treating Spike as if they are a Triple A company. That's what really makes me angry, no sense of context or nuance, just "UHH DLC BAD WE WANT FREE". Its good to know you need seniority to have an opinion, that completely makes sense. And for the record, most people in this thread have been pretty articulate with their reasons for being upset with the price (same for also feeling its a justified cost). |
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Post by DM_PSX on Oct 18, 2019 16:23:40 GMT
Does anyone know what arena that is supposed to be? (and yes I agree that's it's a modded SCS arena with american style guard rails). Wasn't there one in FPR with those rails on the ramp?
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Post by Zealot on Oct 18, 2019 16:31:22 GMT
If Fire Pro was a video game series that was released annually like the WWE games are, I could understand the issue with the pricing.
However, it's a reboot from a game which last had a series release in 2005 and was originally thought to be left for dead. Considering the agreements they have done with companies like NJPW and STARDOM and the continued production of content, I personally don't mind paying $20 every few months because the time between DLC updates and the overall value achieved long-term from the product makes the price a non-factor to me. I'm just happy that they haven't abandoned it after 2 years.
I understand not everyone can afford it all the time, but it's probably not a requirement to buy it like Fire Promoter and I feel like they've done enough on the Workshop to ensure people can download the content their current version of the game provides.
I'm thinking that entrances will be a separate category on the Workshop anyway since unless there are new moves added in this DLC, it shouldn't be required to still download edits, etc.
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Post by Dakota on Oct 18, 2019 16:38:37 GMT
Overall I'm not trying to be mean or rude but I do not have a problem insulting people who complain about this. Were they there when we were over on the FPW Arena dreaming about there being a new Fire Pro? We waited, what, literally a decade for this game to come out? The people complaining have absolutely no perspective on this issue and are treating Spike as if they are a Triple A company. That's what really makes me angry, no sense of context or nuance, just "UHH DLC BAD WE WANT FREE". Its good to know you need seniority to have an opinion, that completely makes sense. And for the record, most people in this thread have been pretty articulate with their reasons for being upset with the price (same for also feeling its a justified cost). To add to that: Even if the whole seniority argument wasn't incredibly stupid (which it is, you lurking on the arena doesn't give your opinion any kind of weight at all), you realize that on Twitter alone people like Geese, Maik, Sonny, Hana and more have mentioned that the price is on the high side (and eloquently so). So if you want to say that Geese of all people has no right to comment on Fire Pro related news, you are beyond help. Also, your entire "people who can't afford the DLC are dumb!! Just get a better job." point is a really great look too... Some people interested playing the game might live paycheck to paycheck, some might still be students, some might just not want to pay 20 bucks for a feature that was announced without any kind of actual information. All of that is perfectly valid. Just like buying it to support the game/the company is valid, or thinking that 20 is a perfect price is valid. The value of a digital purchase is entirely subjective. So yeah, might want to stop calling people dumb and "getting really angry" at other people voicing their opinion because they might be new (oh no!!). |
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Post by Mr. Dogmeat on Oct 18, 2019 16:55:16 GMT
I think you're latching onto this idea of "seniority" but his point is valid.
Don't you remember when it was announced? I seem to recall the community rhetoric being along the lines of "omg I'll pay anything for this" and that was just the baseline, featureless early access version.
I dont think it seems that pricey in 2019, it's likely going to have moves, edit parts, arenas, promotion logos, and a complete rework of singles entrances. Seems more substantial than the previous two dlcs.
The biggest thing I think though was dmnt's mention of perspective. Be grateful we get anything, this game's existence is a miracle in itself. SC is not a big developer and they probably want nothing to do with this game outside of Matsumodo's insane passion.
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Post by Dakota on Oct 18, 2019 17:42:39 GMT
Good grief. I think you're latching onto this idea of "seniority" but his point is valid. I'm also latching onto him literally calling people dumb for not being able to afford a luxury entertainment item, don't forget that. And no, that's not a valid point, none of it. Don't you remember when it was announced? I seem to recall the community rhetoric being along the lines of "omg I'll pay anything for this" and that was just the baseline, featureless early access version. So? That was 2017, when World was first released as an Early Access title for cheap. Of course the majority of people were excited and willing to shell out money for a game that had a lot of promise (and promises made). That's over 2 years ago, a lot has changed, a lot has been released, the pricing has inflated recently. Being excited back then also doesn't mean you can't think that 20 bucks is too much now. People are allowed to change their mind, just like they're allowed to still support everything 100%. Again, and sorry for once more using him as my show-and-tell example, but even Geese, the most Fire Pro positive person ever, has replied on Twitter how 20 bucks is kind of on the expensive side. I dont think it seems that pricey in 2019, it's likely going to have moves, edit parts, arenas, promotion logos, and a complete rework of singles entrances. Seems more substantial than the previous two dlcs. See? That's perfectly valid. It's your opinion and that's fine. The biggest thing I think though was dmnt's mention of perspective. Be grateful we get anything, this game's existence is a miracle in itself. SC is not a big developer and they probably won't nothing to do with this game outside of Matsumodo's insane passion. There's no perspective in his inane posts. Insulting others for having a different opinion on the basis of "those aren't real fans" or "well if they can't afford it, fuck 'em", is bullshit. No matter how much you think everybody has to be grateful for being able to buy stuff. And just for clarification's sake: while I personally also think that 20 bucks is pretty steep given the lack of information and what it seems we'll get, I'm going to get the DLC anyway. Just like I have gotten all the DLC so far, even Promoter. But just because I can afford to support a game I love and have invested a stupid amount of time into, by paying a bit more than I think it should be, doesn't mean nobody else is allowed to complain about the price. Everybody has a different scale for what stuff is worth, just because someone might have lurked on a specific message board a bit longer than someone else doesn't mean their opinion is worth more or they get to dictate if a price is good or not for someone else. If you do that, you're just a dick. tldr: How much DLC is worth is 100% subjective. You can like it, you can be unhappy, all valid, just don't be an ass about it. |
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Post by Bow on Oct 18, 2019 18:08:04 GMT
The DLC gives me a bit of a concern. One if his tweets says you can "designate an attire as an entrance" so. We cannot create an entrance attire for each attire? what if we got some attires with different color pallets? They wont match up?
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Post by amsterDAN on Oct 18, 2019 18:13:04 GMT
At this stage we've already received six DLCs at varying price points, so we can all form pretty well-educated opinions on how much we think a DLC is or should be worth money-wise in relation to the content it adds to our game. We have six instances we can look back on and say "for this amount of money, we received this". I don't find it outrageous in the least that people (including myself) find the currently announced price for Entrance Craft to seem rather high in comparison to the features they've advertised.
This is a forum. I am able to create a post containing my thoughts on a matter, and you are able to do precisely the same thing with your thoughts. If our separate opinions aren't precisely aligned, guess what? My thoughts aren't your fucking thoughts, and vice versa. There is no right and wrong way to feel about this; that's why a discussion is taking place. Someone having played more prior versions of Fire Pro than others does not make their opinion on FPWW's DLC more valid. Because you've waited a decade for a new Fire Pro does not automatically invalidate an opposite opinion from a newcomer to this game. Previous membership in now-obsolete old Fire Pro forums does not make someone a more senior authority on the matter we are discussing here than anyone else. And just because you've re-tooled some fucking default NJPW edits and amassed a small following from it and you think you're hot shit because of that, doesn't mean you actually experience this game more deeply than everyone else here, nor does that buy you the right to insult people who feel differently than you about the price of a particular DLC.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Oct 18, 2019 18:16:57 GMT
The DLC gives me a bit of a concern. One if his tweets says you can "designate an attire as an entrance" so. We cannot create an entrance attire for each attire? what if we got some attires with different color pallets? They wont match up? It does seem like you'll have to dedicate an attire slot for entrances, and it will be universal to that edit. I'm more hoping at this point that I can set an entrance without designating an attire- I'm a little worried if you want to use the feature its going to force you to set an entrance attire. I'm also very curious to see how this impacts multi person entrances and whether they'll address the issue of editing a champion vacates the title (since that would defeat the purpose of adding belts to an entrance attire). I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks... |
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Post by Fuee on Oct 18, 2019 18:18:14 GMT
Does anyone know what arena that is supposed to be? (and yes I agree that's it's a modded SCS arena with american style guard rails). Wasn't there one in FPR with those rails on the ramp? I don't think there was. There was an early 2000s RAW style arena that had guardrails for the crowd, but not the ramp, and I think that was the closest |
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