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Post by tvirusinfected on Jul 14, 2020 6:01:24 GMT
Good evening all. I've been wanting to run my own fed for a long time, but my brain can't come up with enough original edits to do it. I know that is a blasphemous idea when it comes to the best edit creation system ever.. but alas it's true.
One day I got to thinking about trainers, and wrestlers who were trained under legends, like Sanada being trained by Mutoh. I started to wonder how I could use this idea to pump out more edits while still keeping some originality. I also reviewed the Reinvigorate system and thought it was amazing but I didnt really have the types of edits not the patience to go through a career long enough to get an edit where I want it.
So I've come up with a compromise. I create an edit that storyline wise is either a legend or has been in the business for a while. I make him a "coach" or give him a wrestling school. Then when I make an edit I will base it off of him, change the appearance and edit some moves, but keep some basics or specials to show that he's learned from the legend or coach.
The edits would maintain a certain style, like a luchador, or hoss type style. Eventually I plan on having a few schools open up and have some cross pollination... maybe the hoss guy ends up going to the lucha school and picks up some flash. Or maybe the technical wrestler learns how to be a little rough by going to a dirty heels training seminar.
I think this will help me "churn out" some more edits to fill my fed and other feds I would like to run, while keeping then unique enough.
I will update this with my progress, but what do you guys do when you start running out of gas for original edits. I know most of the long time FPW people have edits for days, but when you want something new, what do you all do?
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Jul 14, 2020 17:42:13 GMT
This is kind of what I've done with my CASSANDRA project.
I conceptualized a roster of 16 rookie edits, each with their own characters/personalities based originally on STARDOM wrestlers, but it has expanded beyond that.
In my lore canon, each edit is trained by in full or in part by the legendary Yumori Tanaka, who I based on Liger when I originally created her, about 12 years ago. I've also got several edits not on that roster who were trained by her previously.
A majority of my edits are created based on a handful of wrestlers who exist, changing based on the edit. Jessica Shields is mostly a mashup of Kurt Angle and Lex Luger. Tali Triton is a cross-section of Rey Mysterio Jr., Yuji Nagata, and Mistico II (Sin Cara Azul). Akane Morshima is based on Shinsuke Nakamura, and her alter-ego Shirani Neko borrows from Naomichi Marifuji. That's only a few examples.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Jul 14, 2020 17:43:17 GMT
Sounds like a cool idea, I'd honestly just start running with it.
I think one of the mistakes a lot of would be efedders make is thinking "too big" to start. Too big of a roster, or too large scale ideas eventually create burnout or this feeling that you'll never be "ready" to start. My best advice is to just start with whatever you have, and grow at your own pace as you feel inspired. My main fed started with only 10 guys, and still only has roughly 20 after two years of running shows and doing efed stuff. So just go for it, and figure it out on the fly- after all its all in the name of fun.
As for my own process, I dont create a new edit unless I get an inspiration to do so- then I figure out how I want to introduce them into my fictional world. Sometimes that means I'm creating a few back to back, or I may go months just using who I already have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 18:59:37 GMT
Ages ago, someone (tigermuppetcut?) created a "reinvigorate" system for King of Colosseum II that also works for Fire Pro, which sounds like what you have in mind. I don't have the information on hand to post it just yet, though.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Jul 14, 2020 19:11:57 GMT
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Post by Senator Phillips on Jul 14, 2020 19:17:52 GMT
An integral part to a lot of my original characters is the lineage of their style. Sometimes, I'll create a trainee for existing characters and I'll try to give them a bit of an evolution of their mentor's style. Other times, I allude to a mentor in a profile or storyline and then bring them into being, too. However it goes, I feel that it adds immensely to a living, breathing world in which the characters inhabit.
A few examples: Thiago Gracie has his red belt student, Jamie Tomasi. Yuriko Masamune came into being as the trainer of Crusher Honda and Wrecker Yamamoto. I like making wrestling families like the Santanas, the Changs, and such. Hija de Holy Diver joined her father in the Neon Knights team at a certain point. While Lil' Lariato already had a mentor in Duke Cogburn that he gained through story development, I also made his original hip hop hero, Generalissimo Kool Q, giving him a second influence at ringside.
The story of Annie Chang is amusing, in that she began as a bit of the outcast of the Texan traditionalist Chang family, using only a few of the classic Roland Chang Trio moves and attire influences, but then became the understudy of Mina Fitsharris and Juliette Erving in the PEWA, my Philly hardcore fed. As such, she gained a number of moves that allude to their own signatures. There's a near infinite amount of ways this sort of thing can work.
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Post by IamAres on Jul 14, 2020 20:43:51 GMT
I used to do something similar when I first started populating a fantasy B-level fed. I had four trainers, who also served as the fed's veteran talent, and many of the trainees (i.e. the original characters) had elements of one or more of the trainers. I tried to stay away from having everyone use their trainers' actual signatures, but a few guys did do a signature move here or there. I more tried to get the essence of one or more of those wrestlers across than have clones of them.
I also just tried to think of what I didn't have, or what didn't exist, and make someone who fit that. That's why I started making OCs in the first place - this was back in FPD, and I realized there were no indy-level female wrestlers at all, and not an overwhelming amount of male ones.
But on a more specific front, for example, one of my OCs was a 6'5" female wrestler who I made because I realized there were no female wrestlers with a Diesel/Undertaker-like presence, so I came up with a character to fill that niche. Even today, some of my characters start that way. "I don't have a ______." So I start with whatever that premise is and build out what makes sense for whatever that is. It can go for moves, too: "I don't have anybody that does the ______." What type of wrestler would do that move? What else goes with it?
Sometimes, I'll have a character background but no wrestling style to go with it, or a wrestling style with no real background. When those happen at the same time, I'll usually marry them into one character, which then also helps that character be a little less stereotypical and more unique.
Getting inspiration from outside wrestling helps, too. When you base an OC on one wrestler, it's easy to get shackled to being exactly like that wrestler. If you base their personality off something outside of wrestling, you get a lot of freedom in how you interpret it within wrestling. For a real-life example, Shinsuke Nakamura asked himself "what if Michael Jackson was a fighter? How would he move? How would he look?" and, blended with his existing style, came up with one of the most unique personas in wrestling.
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Post by tvirusinfected on Jul 15, 2020 1:36:55 GMT
Sounds like a cool idea, I'd honestly just start running with it. I think one of the mistakes a lot of would be efedders make is thinking "too big" to start. Too big of a roster, or too large scale ideas eventually create burnout or this feeling that you'll never be "ready" to start. My best advice is to just start with whatever you have, and grow at your own pace as you feel inspired. My main fed started with only 10 guys, and still only has roughly 20 after two years of running shows and doing efed stuff. So just go for it, and figure it out on the fly- after all its all in the name of fun. As for my own process, I dont create a new edit unless I get an inspiration to do so- then I figure out how I want to introduce them into my fictional world. Sometimes that means I'm creating a few back to back, or I may go months just using who I already have. I love the New Japan style of having multi man matches with singles matches being more important, which makes it harder to do with a small roster but you're completely right, I should just do it and grow naturally. So far I have an OC that is older, a bit flabbier, but tough as nails. I pictured that he used to do death match wrestling but when he joined Royal Ring he smoothed his style to a bit more hoss a lot less hardcore. He started a training school Tough Academy, and so far I have one student that I really like. He's a beefy boy and fights well with my other edits. I like this method so far, and I have other "legends" to create but I feel it will give my OCs a history and people they can work with. I am enjoying hearing everyone's method as always. One of my favorite things with fire pro and this group is to hear the creative juices flowing. |
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Post by OrochiGeese on Jul 15, 2020 6:09:13 GMT
I have used a mentor/student dynamic in my UBL fed for the past few years. It's a combination of story lines and my own way of booking and creating edits. It's pretty loose though and not as comprehensive as the Reinvigorate system.
Story lines:
- My tag team division is based on having mentor/student pair combinations.
- Passing the torch. We're in a crucial transitional phase in UBL that depended on me realizing a few years ago that a change had to occur. A lot of my main eventers and midcarders from the start of my fed have now reached the age where they probably would retire in real life. My fed has been going since 2008 so it doesn't make sense for them to be pushing 50's while working the physical style in my fed and undergoing the injuries that occur.
- In order to have some continuity between the main eventers and the rookies, I thought it made sense to have tight relationships start to form between both groups. Just about every main eventer has laid some roots for the future, with a few being outright mentors to the rookie group of a few years ago. Some of the story lines revolve around those relationships and rivalries that have formed. I'd say that generational shift is as big a story as my Titles are.
Edit work:
- All the students have some move and logic influence from their trainers. In some cases their mentors have taught them a specific move, or just trained them in a hybrid style. For example, Barton Miller (an amateur/power wrestler) became the trainer to rookie JET Hamada who was a judoka but only knew judo throws and submissions. So Barton's influence over the years behind the scenes has been to help JET adapt to and implement different styles he'd find in pro wrestling.
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Post by fullMETAL on Jul 15, 2020 7:25:45 GMT
I have a mentor/student dynamic that's present even in my main stable Fully Loaded, in that FM, Domino Rouge, and Charity Bizarre all have cues in their movesets and logics taken from veterans Dan Dare and Max Craven, with FM also additionally incorporating training from Club veterans Justice and K (and even a bit of Wonderland via the Dojo) in theirs.
Several of my "newer" custom edits have been trained by my "veteran" characters over the past 20 years. :D
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Post by OrochiGeese on Jul 15, 2020 9:04:44 GMT
with FM also additionally incorporating training from Club veterans Justice and K (and even a bit of Wonderland via the Dojo) in theirs. Nice blast from the past 😎 |
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Post by ligerbear on Jul 19, 2020 16:09:24 GMT
with some of my edits being nearly 20 years old, ive created aged versions of some of them. some moves are considered "legacy" or staples of my roster such as one of the stf variants, northern lights bomb, etc. i have one heel who will occasionally do them in mocking fashion of the legends or proteges.
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