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Yeah, that's one of my other hang-ups 😁

If I see a move where I have to bridge two totally different move positions together, I'll often just avoid it. I've tried manipulating the body parts to be "somewhere in the middle" of the two moves and it's soo time consuming and often not that satisfying a result.  So what you did here was incredible 👏

My other condition for doing moves these days is not having to reverse the directions they are facing since the shadows just get sooo messed up and it takes forever to fix them. I always get that frame toward the end where the defender just kinda doesn't fall or lie down in the correct position. 

I'll only take on a direction reversal if I really really want it the finished product move.

Oh wow, that's really helpful!!! 💡

So you just reverse the positives into negatives.  And you do that for the wrestler model positions as well as the shadow positions.  For some reason I have had issues doing this before. I don't know why.

I've had soooo many problems trying to do this "manually" with the shadows not lining up.  I have a few moves I'd love to reverse so I will definitely give that a try. Thanks!! 😄


Do you have an updated description of what the Y flag does. I'm still a little unclear. In other words, why would reversing the positions not ordinarily require an "L to R" switch even if the Y flag wasn't set?

Also yeah, I had a rough time repositioning things for a while myself, and I think only got it when someone here pointed out the +/- thing, but I don't remember who it was or what thread
Definitely one of those obvious in retrospect things, but weirdly obtuse before it's spelled out 😄

I really wish FPW didn't keep switching the directions for the different positions in the game!!

I've spent so long reversing the positions even when I somehow got it right the first try!

But at least I have a clear and reliable process now thanks to you so I won't be as intimidated. It's worth brute forcing the +/- numbers for certain moves that I really want to make. Definitely easier than some of the other challenges in the mode.  I still haven't tried any moves to the outside 😭





This is all REALLY helpful! 👏

Does this mean that the U/D and L/R flags don't matter at all unless the Y flag is set? Do those directional flags only inform what direction the wrestlers are when they get hit out of a move? I was painstakingly making sure that every those flags were set correctly for every animation frame: whether Y flag was set or not.

The less said about my adherence to the height flags, the better. Yikes...I'm not sure I've set those for any of the moves that I've done. Luckily, most of the "cloned -> lightly modified" moves didn't really need it.


My confusion during this whole discussion is really one of the main reasons that I haven't posted any moves publicly for a while. Although I've made a ton in the past 6 months, I tend to not have the patience to finish them by putting the proper "polish" with the tags. I also kind of forgot to check "vs. wrestler sizes." So I have like 50 moves but I have to go through them all to make sure there are no glitches. Since I primarily sim 1 on 1, I would have no idea if the "Y" flag wasn't set right by me since there is no one to interrupt the new moves. So I really have to check everything manually.

Those can be a real pain for sure, BUT I think the biggest thing to watch for there is that when a dude's standing on the outside, their shadow should be about waist-high instead of under their feet because the shadow is always at ring mat height. It makes positioning rough when they're in any other position, but I think a trick you can possibly try is to temporarily mark every frame with the A flag and set a small hitbox in the center of the shadow, and then turn on whatever option it is in config that displays a static image of a standing defender touching the hitbox. I think that'd give you a sort of approximate marker for where the dude you're trying to position should be



I... don't know for sure, but I think so. I forget to even look at them so often and never have dudes ending moves in the wrong direction from that
The only time I can think of where it was really necessary was the Cactus Clothesline recently - in that, the defender tumbles out of the ring by position because the grapple 2-step move type apparently won't let the defender end the move outside of the ring any other way. The L/R flags came into play there because the tumble animation is different depending on which way the flags say they're facing; the animation ends with the defender standing, facing right, and that would've had them take a nasty neck bump that really didn't fit the move, so I switched the final frame's flag to L and now they land on their feet and kind of whirl a bit and fall down; if you pause the game during it and hold triangle (or whatever the frame-by-frame button is for you), you'll even see him snap to facing the wrong direction for one frame after he lands. Fortunately, that animation's quick enough that I don't think it's greatly noticeable unless you're looking for it

Anyway, short answer: outside of the Y flag, I think it only matters on the final frame(s) of a move if you have either of the edits involved able to ring-out by position



Oh dude I'm the same way. I keep thinking I need to go back through all of my moves and check height flags, vs sizes, all that stuff and fix it if need be
Fortunately the height thing doesn't seem to be something that comes up a ton in matches, though, and from what I have checked, it doesn't seem like the different sizes really get janked up unless you're doing something wacky, like having dudes spit hands because the hand is going to be mist. As long as their parts are fairly reasonably placed in relation to others, the game seems pretty good about following along. Some weapons seem to be bugged, though, like the fork will only be in the right place for one size no matter how much I try to fix it. I think Dawnbreaker's had the same issue with it, too

Isn't the blazing chop pretty much just that?