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Post by Wonderland on Mar 22, 2019 0:03:18 GMT
I thought that's what he meant, that you didnt express that notion towards Voodoo. I'm guessing 99.99% of the community hasn't expressed any particular notion towards voodoo. It would be weird to be singled (doubled?) out for not having expressed an opinion. Instead, it seems more like an affirmative opinion was being attributed to me, that I like or support him or whatever it may be in opposition to the rest of this section of the fanbase's collective opinion being spoken for. Sorry, I probably jumped to conclusions based on your withdrawal from Zealot's tourney. I interpreted it as "Voodoo was banned for doing something offensive; so I'm removing my stuff because I also had edits that would be construed as tasteless." If that wasn't the case, sorry. I'm not sure I follow. I thought initially you were implying that my having withdrawn edits meant I don't think voodoo sucks or I support him or whatever else having to do with my feelings towards him. But you're saying what you meant was that I saw myself as a similarly cancerous back-tumor so I excised myself? I mean, I did literally say that was my reason in the thread, but I thought that was pretty clearly in jest and just to keep things light and move on. My withdrawing had nothing to do with my feelings about voodoo and whether or not I agreed about him being everything he's been described as being. Nor did it have to do with comparing my edits to his, and fearing similarly offending anyone myself. I'm not sure what's offensive about any of my edits (considering nuderland and chester and lester the molesters aren't released anywhere, and the rest are just wrestlers), but nothing would surprise me anymore.
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Post by sofia on Mar 22, 2019 1:12:39 GMT
I mean, no, I didn't think that you seriously thought of yourself as a cancer.
I misconstrued your choice to withdraw as having to do with actually offending anyone, though, and since that wasn't the case here, I think I just misread the room at the time. Sorry about that, at any rate.
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Post by Wonderland on Mar 22, 2019 1:26:42 GMT
That's fine. What I'm confused about is how that relates to mentioning what the fanbase's feelings on voodoo are, then mentioning me as a counterpoint. What would me thinking my edits might offend people have to do with how I feel or don't feel about him? I can't see the connection between that comment putting words in my mouth, and these comments about having misread words that actually were from my mouth (my fingers are my mouth, it's complicated)
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Post by fullMETAL on Mar 22, 2019 20:01:19 GMT
(big deep breath)
Okay, last night, I wrote a big long thing, with full intention on posting it, but after a lot of reading of this stuff, I have an actual migraine (like, an ACTUAL migraine, that I had to take Advil for) and I'll just give a much much shorter summary for my opinion on this whole situation.
I don't like this situation, or the handling of it, and I'm going on record with saying I don't support banning a banned user's edits from Community events unless the user committed some heinous criminal act in real life and/or has advocated actual real-life hostilities/violence against other members of the community, or the Community comes to a consensus on banning a banned user's edits, or both. That being said, I'll abide by this decision, remove Voodoo's edits from the Cruiserweight Title Trials and any other Community events I might have him booked on that I'm recording, and vacate the Internet Championship from Wendell Chromm.
And for those of you who are saying (and yes, some of you ARE saying that, because I saw it in the Discord) that I'm just "doing FM things" concerning this whole matter (like having Chromm be in a championship match at all, much less winning the belt AND defending it), I had a whole thing about THAT contained in the big long thing I wrote, and the summary of THAT is that I very much don't appreciate any accusations that I'M unilaterally doing things just because I feel like it. ESPECIALLY considering things that have literally just happened here over the past 24-36 hours.
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Post by kingradical on Mar 23, 2019 7:23:48 GMT
(big deep breath) Okay, last night, I wrote a big long thing, with full intention on posting it, but after a lot *of reading of this stuff, I have an actual migraine (like, an ACTUAL migraine, that I had to take Advil for) and I'll just give a much much shorter summary for my opinion on this whole situation. I don't like this situation, or the handling of it, and I'm going on record with saying I don't support banning a banned user's edits from Community events unless the user committed some heinous criminal act in real life and/or has advocated actual real-life hostilities/violence against other members of the community, or the Community comes to a consensus on banning a banned user's edits, or both. That being said, I'll abide by this decision, remove Voodoo's edits from the Cruiserweight Title Trials and any other Community events I might have him booked on that I'm recording, and vacate the Internet Championship from Wendell Chromm.And for those of you who are saying (and yes, some of you ARE saying that, because I saw it in the Discord) that I'm just "doing FM things" concerning this whole matter (like having Chromm be in a championship match at all, much less winning the belt AND defending it), I had a whole thing about THAT contained in the big long thing I wrote, and the summary of THAT is that I very much don't appreciate any accusations that I'M unilaterally doing things just because I feel like it. ESPECIALLY considering things that have literally just happened here over the past 24-36 hours. I mean you can't just vacate the title. I agreed to pick up the critical club name with the move but the intent wasn't just to have someone else with the power to do that sort of thing. Theres only two ways to lose the title: in a match, or by an edit not being publicly available on the workshop for anyone to use. The title's not going to be restricted from anyone for any other external reasons. That said since you haven't posted the video of the match here anyway the title change wasn't official yet so it's still well within your bounds to just not post it and the change didn't happen so EFM is still champ. No original edit is banned from Internet title contention. "Consensus" is a good cover for mass bullying so it's just going to stay totally open
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Post by Wonderland on Mar 23, 2019 9:11:13 GMT
Hell yeah, this is a belt worth fighting for, I want a shot book it universe
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Post by Timberwolf on Mar 23, 2019 16:22:33 GMT
kingradical It's your title. Your decisions. Don't let others make those decisions for you. If you want to allow edits from banned members to compete for the title, go right ahead. Don't let certain people tell you otherwise :)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 17:18:33 GMT
You could always rebrand it if it causes too much drama I guess.
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Post by Wonderland on Mar 23, 2019 17:30:09 GMT
Freedom 'Murrica Champeen Belt confirmed
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Post by Princess Pepperoni on Mar 23, 2019 17:54:58 GMT
This feels like a headache that has been pulsating for the last week and it just won't go away.
I understand that there's a rumbling going on concerning the current regime, and that some how allowing Professor Voodoo's edits participate in Critical Club events is a matter of "sticking it to the man," in a way. That's the only logical conclusion I can personally arrive too considering Brick and maybe to an extent, Maikeru, has ruffled the feathers of some in their attempts to simply encourage more positivity on the forum where there's been a lot of the opposite as of late. It feels like since the inception of the board there has been *something,* in some matter or another to prevent our collective community from being happy. Some, if not most, miss the Arena which I understand. The sudden change of scenery sort of forced people to swim when they weren't ready to and maybe we didn't really allow ourselves to really soak in what happened and mentally allow ourselves to prepare for a future afterward. We practically moved overnight, with some distancing themselves from a friend they thought they knew. That scar still exists and chances are it won't ever go away.
The community as it stands now is full of new people. Professor Voodoo is one of those new people but his attitude has always been putting himself first before others. He's been a constant topic of discussion because of his "holier than thou" attitude and his never-ending narcissism that continues to this day. I'm a frequent member of streams and his presence alone is enough to really put a damper in the discussion. From his unwillingness to adhere to the rules in place, to his constant need to claim he has a "master" of ground-style, it was aggravating and never lent anything positive to the discussion. Especially when his own edits would maul over another's in less then ten minutes and he'd be annoyingly upset at his own creation instead of apologizing to the person who he practically destroyed in a match because of his serious lack to properly understand logic, moveset and it's relation to parameter usage. In relation to this board itself, he refused to listen to warnings he garnered and instead used to further create controversy and attention to his own edits. Hell, we're *still* talking about him and he's been banned for what? Over a month now. It's like he's a bigger matter of discussion now than he's ever been before and it seriously will not go away.
He's banned from the board. He's banned from the Discord. He's generally disliked by everyone who actively participates in chats. He brings nothing of value to the community unless you consider negativity to be valuable. Defending him is pointless, and only further makes things worse. Can anyone actually consider him a friend? And if so, can he actually name who your favorite edits are which you've created?
The Internet Championship has the Critical Club branding, and thus the title holder should be someone who's actively on the board/Discord since the holder represents our forum on whatever show they're booked on. If you're banned from the board, you can't represent it. Because you're banned.
When it comes to Community Branded events, people hoped that with the forum change, it would reflect current edits which are currently involved in the community. Instead, Community Branded events feel as though they're a decade behind and feature characters which no one really can get behind or find a connection with because the people behind those edits are scarcely around anymore. For instance, isn't Sy next in line for the World Championship? Considering he's still active in the community and participates in chats, shouldn't he *finally* get this opportunity? Apparently he still has to jump through hoops to get his title shot. It's just... the whole thing is frustrating because the booking of the show doesn't reflect the community as a whole as it is in 2019. I feel like Community Branded events need a reboot, otherwise it's just a show where no one knows who to actually root for because the majority of the community doesn't really contain the knowledge or understanding of the characters involved.
I just want all of this to be figured out. All of it to just be done with already. I've honestly had enough of just....all of this mess. It's frustrating for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by Wonderland on Mar 23, 2019 17:57:50 GMT
Defending him is pointless Literally no one is defending him.
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Post by Princess Pepperoni on Mar 23, 2019 18:02:41 GMT
They are, because his edit is the current holder of the internet championship. That's where ALL of this is stemming from.
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Post by Wonderland on Mar 23, 2019 18:08:12 GMT
I don't know what you mean and how those are related. Point to one person or comment defending voodoo the person. Here's an example of someone explicitly not doing that. Specifically, the person who made this thread and introduced the title. I'm no fan of Voodoo's, and I completely agree with him getting banned hoenstly.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Mar 23, 2019 18:58:20 GMT
I’ll start with I dont care about Voodoo. I dont care about his edits, his ban, or any of the drama around it. I also dont care about this belt, or any of these Officially Branded belts.
What I do care is everyone talking about what the community wants, and yet the decions dont seem to be involving the community. “Im booking banned edits cause fuck you” is not a community decision. Banning community edits without some kind of discussion first (or a more transparent understanding of the decision) isnt how a community should work.
Instead of making a bunch of antagonistic declarations back and forth, maybe we start figuring how we move forward in a way that makes collective sense (before Wondy starts helicoptering again)
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Mar 23, 2019 19:19:39 GMT
Hana tried that and yet here we are.
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