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All In
Sept 3, 2018 5:38:53 GMT
Post by rollinsphan on Sept 3, 2018 5:38:53 GMT
I'll just echo everyone else here and say that I enjoyed ALL IN immensely. Even the pre-show was a lot of fun with that insane battle royal.
Everyone worked hard and the crowd ate it up. Cody and the Bucks should be feeling pretty great right about now.
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All In
Sept 3, 2018 6:06:52 GMT
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Post by facesoffoley on Sept 3, 2018 6:06:52 GMT
I'm glad we all agree. Very impressed by the NWA title match. Main Event was rushed but still rocked. Hope for this again next year
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All In
Sept 3, 2018 13:36:25 GMT
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Post by amsterDAN on Sept 3, 2018 13:36:25 GMT
I feel kind of spoiled by the last week or so in wrestling, because I thought Triplemania was one of the most enjoyable events I'd seen in a good many years, only for it to be topped just a few days later by All In, which was simply spectacular. I thought Penta vs Kenny in particular was an incredible display of top notch pro wrestling, no weapons or blood, just great grappling, big bone crunching moves and great salesmanship. Going in, I was a little worried it was an odd pairing that might make for a slightly wack match, but those two put on a really riveting show.
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All In
Sept 3, 2018 15:54:12 GMT
Post by hungerlow on Sept 3, 2018 15:54:12 GMT
I'm probably one of the few people here that didn't like the show.
Way too long, some matches dragged on and the show was filled with goofyness. It felt like a TNA PPV from 2010.
I loved the NWA entrances, though.
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All In
Sept 3, 2018 20:42:06 GMT
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Post by jzbadblood on Sept 3, 2018 20:42:06 GMT
It was good. No blow away matches, but still a fun spectacle show. Reminds me of the “good” Wrestlemanias where all the hype and glitz help disguise an average show.
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All In
Sept 10, 2018 18:19:19 GMT
Post by mbxfilms on Sept 10, 2018 18:19:19 GMT
Well it's a bit easier when they don't have to hold shows year round. But pretty great to watch of course.
And sadly it seems the preshow Battle Royale isn't on the NJPW World so I didn't get to see it...
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Post by Spunk on Sept 11, 2018 1:22:16 GMT
I'm probably one of the few people here that didn't like the show. Way too long, some matches dragged on and the show was filled with goofyness. It felt like a TNA PPV from 2010. I loved the NWA entrances, though. Same, really. I feel like people *wanted* it to succeed and to be good, which impacts impressions. That's fine, obviously. A lot of this, to me, just feels like the same old "we want a WWE alternative, I don't like sports entertainment" stuff while ignoring that this show was a whole lot of sports entertainment. It was less workrate-oriented than I expected, which is actually kind of cool. "Good matches" are a dime a dozen right now, but telling actual stories seems rare. They did that, though mostly through their web series. That means if you were a fan of the web series (I am not) that it'll be more fun to watch and follow along. Admittedly, I wasn't the audience for this show. They did know their audience very, very well, though. My main critique of the whole thing, with Starrcast included (I understand they had help organizing it and weren't solely in charge of it, mind you), was that these guys know their audience so well that they weren't afraid to nickel-and-dime them to death. I mean, who knew that many people were willing to shell out money for a podcast convention. Hell, they even knew their audience well enough to know that people would literally pay them to be guests at this thing. That really blew my mind. But people did it, those spots sold out, while the bigger podcasts got invited for free or mildly compensated. Shit, even the tickets to attend the convention were expensive with "tiers" of assurance for reserved seating, as well as additional costs not included like photos with wrestlers, autographs, etc. It sounded like an EA game full of microtransactions, but people were super into it.
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All In
Sept 11, 2018 2:49:45 GMT
Post by LankyLefty17 on Sept 11, 2018 2:49:45 GMT
I'm probably one of the few people here that didn't like the show. Way too long, some matches dragged on and the show was filled with goofyness. It felt like a TNA PPV from 2010. I loved the NWA entrances, though. Same, really. I feel like people *wanted* it to succeed and to be good, which impacts impressions. That's fine, obviously. A lot of this, to me, just feels like the same old "we want a WWE alternative, I don't like sports entertainment" stuff while ignoring that this show was a whole lot of sports entertainment. It was less workrate-oriented than I expected, which is actually kind of cool. "Good matches" are a dime a dozen right now, but telling actual stories seems rare. They did that, though mostly through their web series. That means if you were a fan of the web series (I am not) that it'll be more fun to watch and follow along. Admittedly, I wasn't the audience for this show. They did know their audience very, very well, though. My main critique of the whole thing, with Starrcast included (I understand they had help organizing it and weren't solely in charge of it, mind you), was that these guys know their audience so well that they weren't afraid to nickel-and-dime them to death. I mean, who knew that many people were willing to shell out money for a podcast convention. Hell, they even knew their audience well enough to know that people would literally pay them to be guests at this thing. That really blew my mind. But people did it, those spots sold out, while the bigger podcasts got invited for free or mildly compensated. Shit, even the tickets to attend the convention were expensive with "tiers" of assurance for reserved seating, as well as additional costs not included like photos with wrestlers, autographs, etc. It sounded like an EA game full of microtransactions, but people were super into it.
Some of that came from the fact that they self funded the whole thing, so they were trying to find creative ways to cover the show (Cody talked about how they sold the entire ring in parts to collectors to help fund certain aspects of the show). I'm more ok with that approach for smaller time shows trying to make a buck than the billion dollar company trying to find revenue streams. Maybe that's hypocritical or a dumb way to think about it, but I did not mind it that much.
The storytelling is what did it for me. What has killed WWE for me is the complete indifference to telling a story that makes any kind of sense, and having logical payoffs. This show had that in spades. I do follow the web series, and not all the stories were interesting or even very good- but they followed a logic and gave a payoff. That was endlessly refreshing.
The actual matches themselves were entertaining- nothing was blow away but nothing was awful. That might be a low bar, but I enjoyed that show more than anything WWE has done in a really long time.
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Sept 11, 2018 3:52:10 GMT
Post by Spunk on Sept 11, 2018 3:52:10 GMT
Same, really. I feel like people *wanted* it to succeed and to be good, which impacts impressions. That's fine, obviously. A lot of this, to me, just feels like the same old "we want a WWE alternative, I don't like sports entertainment" stuff while ignoring that this show was a whole lot of sports entertainment. It was less workrate-oriented than I expected, which is actually kind of cool. "Good matches" are a dime a dozen right now, but telling actual stories seems rare. They did that, though mostly through their web series. That means if you were a fan of the web series (I am not) that it'll be more fun to watch and follow along. Admittedly, I wasn't the audience for this show. They did know their audience very, very well, though. My main critique of the whole thing, with Starrcast included (I understand they had help organizing it and weren't solely in charge of it, mind you), was that these guys know their audience so well that they weren't afraid to nickel-and-dime them to death. I mean, who knew that many people were willing to shell out money for a podcast convention. Hell, they even knew their audience well enough to know that people would literally pay them to be guests at this thing. That really blew my mind. But people did it, those spots sold out, while the bigger podcasts got invited for free or mildly compensated. Shit, even the tickets to attend the convention were expensive with "tiers" of assurance for reserved seating, as well as additional costs not included like photos with wrestlers, autographs, etc. It sounded like an EA game full of microtransactions, but people were super into it.
Some of that came from the fact that they self funded the whole thing, so they were trying to find creative ways to cover the show (Cody talked about how they sold the entire ring in parts to collectors to help fund certain aspects of the show). I'm more ok with that approach for smaller time shows trying to make a buck than the billion dollar company trying to find revenue streams. Maybe that's hypocritical or a dumb way to think about it, but I did not mind it that much.
The storytelling is what did it for me. What has killed WWE for me is the complete indifference to telling a story that makes any kind of sense, and having logical payoffs. This show had that in spades. I do follow the web series, and not all the stories were interesting or even very good- but they followed a logic and gave a payoff. That was endlessly refreshing.
The actual matches themselves were entertaining- nothing was blow away but nothing was awful. That might be a low bar, but I enjoyed that show more than anything WWE has done in a really long time.
I'm anything but a WWE-apologist here. I mean, I don't even watch WWE anymore outside of occasionally re-subbing to the network to watch a PPV here and there, but I feel like there's a reason why WWE can't tell coherent storylines anymore and it is more than just "Vince is old" or whatever. My argument is that the vocal live audience crowds literally don't let them tell stories anymore. How many years has WWE been trying to crown Roman Reigns as their champion now? They keep having to push it off because they're afraid of fan reaction. While it's easy to say "well, maybe if you were telling stories that the fans wanted to see" and call it a day, that's not the point of storytelling. Sometimes you gotta tell stories that upset people to tell a broader story. Now, for sure, Vince has a track record of doing dumb, awful stuff, but WWE also employs a host of writers, most of which aren't morons and probably have a basic grasp on storytelling. WWE probably wants to tell some dumb stories and make some dumb decisions, but the truth is we'll never know if they're doing something good or bad because they spend so much time second-guessing, rewriting and completely overhauling their ideas just to hope that it's enough to keep live audiences from booing everything out of the building. Imagine if they just made Roman the champion back when they originally wanted to, then saw it wasn't working and could have gone in a different direction. Instead they spent yeeeaaaars trying to get to this point where they are now, where he's the champion who beat Brock. There's a point where fans knowing it all can potentially ruin the thing that they're trying to vocally disagree with and somehow make better through complaining. Cody and the Bucks had literally zero resistance. They also ran a show where virtually all of their storylines had a positive conclusion, or at least ones that fans wanted/were okay with. While that's fine, there's a huge difference in sustained storytelling and having one show where you sent everyone home happy and didn't subvert expectations at all.
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All In
Sept 11, 2018 4:28:52 GMT
Post by LankyLefty17 on Sept 11, 2018 4:28:52 GMT
I'm anything but a WWE-apologist here. I mean, I don't even watch WWE anymore outside of occasionally re-subbing to the network to watch a PPV here and there, but I feel like there's a reason why WWE can't tell coherent storylines anymore and it is more than just "Vince is old" or whatever. My argument is that the vocal live audience crowds literally don't let them tell stories anymore. How many years has WWE been trying to crown Roman Reigns as their champion now? They keep having to push it off because they're afraid of fan reaction. While it's easy to say "well, maybe if you were telling stories that the fans wanted to see" and call it a day, that's not the point of storytelling. Sometimes you gotta tell stories that upset people to tell a broader story. Now, for sure, Vince has a track record of doing dumb, awful stuff, but WWE also employs a host of writers, most of which aren't morons and probably have a basic grasp on storytelling. WWE probably wants to tell some dumb stories and make some dumb decisions, but the truth is we'll never know if they're doing something good or bad because they spend so much time second-guessing, rewriting and completely overhauling their ideas just to hope that it's enough to keep live audiences from booing everything out of the building. Imagine if they just made Roman the champion back when they originally wanted to, then saw it wasn't working and could have gone in a different direction. Instead they spent yeeeaaaars trying to get to this point where they are now, where he's the champion who beat Brock. There's a point where fans knowing it all can potentially ruin the thing that they're trying to vocally disagree with and somehow make better through complaining. Cody and the Bucks had literally zero resistance. They also ran a show where virtually all of their storylines had a positive conclusion, or at least ones that fans wanted/were okay with. While that's fine, there's a huge difference in sustained storytelling and having one show where you sent everyone home happy and didn't subvert expectations at all.
You aren't wrong- its trendy to shit on WWE major storylines, which fucks with their general plans. But they get shit on because the company doesn't care if guys are cheered or booed, and because there is a long history of just abandoning storylines or little effort for them to make sense. Guys turn heel on one show then go back to being a babyface the next week and pretend like it didn't happen. Tag teams break up, then wrestle together the next week like it never happened. I dont know if its all "Vince is old" or not, but that shit rarely happens on NXT (which is generally enjoyable and is WWE owned).
Maybe its a chicken or egg thing, but WWE storylines are bad regardless of the reason. It was nice to watch a show that was coherent. And if fans are letting it be coherent, that actually makes it more enjoyable to watch. Maybe All In isn't sustainable over the long haul, and maybe we never get another show- I still think it was a positive for wrestling in that it proved you can be successful outside of the WWE machine. I'll take it.
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All In
Sept 11, 2018 14:59:49 GMT
Post by Rangerh on Sept 11, 2018 14:59:49 GMT
Admittedly, I wasn't the audience for this show. They did know their audience very, very well, though That's why All In was such a success and left a big smile on everyone that had their butt in a seat around the ring : because they designed the whole show to please their fans. And it was easy to hear how happy the audience was in the arena and how involved they felt in what they were seeing. In opposition to another well known wrestling company, that i don't really care about anymore, that design their show without a single care about what their fans want or hope to see. While Wrestle Kingdom 11 is still my favorite show ever, All-In managed to get in one of my top position, i just loved it and even the weakest matches felt nicer than they should have in such an atmosphere.
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