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Post by Zealot on Aug 25, 2018 14:38:10 GMT
As long as he doesn't use the belt as a chew toy, I don't see any reason why this would cause any credibility issues with your promotion or soon-to-be former champion.
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Post by El Marsh on Aug 25, 2018 14:53:19 GMT
Beary serious
C'mon!
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Post by Zealot on Aug 25, 2018 14:56:19 GMT
Yeah, I must admit he dropped the ball on that thread title name.
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Post by Johnny Jett on Aug 25, 2018 15:08:34 GMT
Yeah, that was a missed trick.
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Aug 25, 2018 17:52:48 GMT
Gotta get a trained bear, man. You need a professional. Also probably a handler or team thereof outside the ring just in case things get out of hand. You want the bear to put on a good show and make the champ feel good, but you also want one who knows how to take a dive when the time is right. Dude- you cannot expect a bear to take a dive. Besides being highly unrealistic, you're going to hurt the bears ego, and you risk him just no selling everything in the match. If your champ needs a bear that oversells, he shouldnt be in the ring at all. I also do not like the idea of a polar bear. Grizzly or bust- though I do support Zealot's parameters that they wear a tutu (or at the very least one of those propeller hats). |
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Post by Johnny Jett on Aug 25, 2018 18:38:21 GMT
Gotta get a trained bear, man. You need a professional. Also probably a handler or team thereof outside the ring just in case things get out of hand. You want the bear to put on a good show and make the champ feel good, but you also want one who knows how to take a dive when the time is right. Dude- you cannot expect a bear to take a dive. Besides being highly unrealistic, you're going to hurt the bears ego, and you risk him just no selling everything in the match. If your champ needs a bear that oversells, he shouldnt be in the ring at all. I also do not like the idea of a polar bear. Grizzly or bust- though I do support Zealot's parameters that they wear a tutu (or at the very least one of those propeller hats). Look, man, as a promoter you don't wanna hurt your champ. Every promoter knows that you gotta protect your investments and you should be well invested in your champions. I'm not saying you never put the champion in danger, but you need to feed them tomato cans every now and then to boost their win/loss record and their ego. Dude wanted to fight a bear, okay, cool, but he's a fledgling champion, right? You shouldn't tank his potential just because he thinks he can fight a ferocious killing machine in a wrestling ring on even terms. You get a circus bear who's been trained, who's a professional, and you get it to take the fall. Or you enforce a strict time limit that all-but ensures a draw. Your champion looks good, no one gets hurt, and the fans get a fun little match. But don't just put a man in the ring with a wild animal. And I know there's an undercurrent right now saying, "Oh, but if he can't beat the bear, the bear should just be the champion." And that's a great idea, but let's look at it realistically, okay? It's almost impossible to get a bear that has crossover appeal. How many named bear movie stars can you think of? Yogi? Smokey? The main character from Brother Bear? Winnie the Pooh? What're you hoping to cash in on that movie coming out? Come on. Let's be real. Now if this was a dog or even a cat I'd say, "Alright, y'know what? Fair play, give the dog the belt if it wins." People love dogs. People will come out to see dogs. But bears are scary, people are scared of bears. They don't want to see a bear on top. A bear would be a bad investment for the promoter. Now the post below mine, that's a valid, solid approach. That's good booking. Basically a license to print money. |
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Post by craziej2k on Aug 25, 2018 18:38:29 GMT
You could go the sports entertainment route and have a bloke dressed up as the bear, maybe pay his biggest rival to do it with the promise of a title shot or something. Could the bear be muzzled and have it's claws covered, that would help protect the champ
(only in Fire Pro would this be a serious topic of discussion!)
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Aug 25, 2018 18:41:30 GMT
Dude- you cannot expect a bear to take a dive. Besides being highly unrealistic, you're going to hurt the bears ego, and you risk him just no selling everything in the match. If your champ needs a bear that oversells, he shouldnt be in the ring at all. I also do not like the idea of a polar bear. Grizzly or bust- though I do support Zealot's parameters that they wear a tutu (or at the very least one of those propeller hats). Look, man, as a promoter you don't wanna hurt your champ. Every promoter knows that you gotta protect your investments and you should be well invested in your champions. I'm not saying you never put the champion in danger, but you need to feed them tomato cans every now and then to boost their win/loss record and their ego. Dude wanted to fight a bear, okay, cool, but he's a fledgling champion, right? You shouldn't tank his potential just because he thinks he can fight a ferocious killing machine in a wrestling ring on even terms. You get a circus bear who's been trained, who's a professional, and you get it to take the fall. Or you enforce a strict time limit that all-but ensures a draw. Your champion looks good, no one gets hurt, and the fans get a fun little match. But don't just put a man in the ring with a wild animal. And I know there's an undercurrent right now saying, "Oh, but if he can't beat the bear, the bear should just be the champion." And that's a great idea, but let's look at it realistically, okay? It's almost impossible to get a bear that has crossover appeal. How many named bear movie stars can you think of? Yogi? Smokey? The main character from Brother Bear? Winnie the Pooh? What're you hoping to cash in on that movie coming out? Come on. Let's be real. Now if this was a dog or even a cat I'd say, "Alright, y'know what? Fair play, give the dog the belt if it wins." People love dogs. People will come out to see dogs. But bears are scary, people are scared of bears. They don't want to see a bear on top. A bear would be a bad investment for the promoter. Fine- three way, so the bear doesn't have to lay down, the champ gets his wish to fight the bear, and you protect the belt long term. But he better motherfucking wear that tutu... |
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Post by Johnny Jett on Aug 25, 2018 18:49:12 GMT
Look, man, as a promoter you don't wanna hurt your champ. Every promoter knows that you gotta protect your investments and you should be well invested in your champions. I'm not saying you never put the champion in danger, but you need to feed them tomato cans every now and then to boost their win/loss record and their ego. Dude wanted to fight a bear, okay, cool, but he's a fledgling champion, right? You shouldn't tank his potential just because he thinks he can fight a ferocious killing machine in a wrestling ring on even terms. You get a circus bear who's been trained, who's a professional, and you get it to take the fall. Or you enforce a strict time limit that all-but ensures a draw. Your champion looks good, no one gets hurt, and the fans get a fun little match. But don't just put a man in the ring with a wild animal. And I know there's an undercurrent right now saying, "Oh, but if he can't beat the bear, the bear should just be the champion." And that's a great idea, but let's look at it realistically, okay? It's almost impossible to get a bear that has crossover appeal. How many named bear movie stars can you think of? Yogi? Smokey? The main character from Brother Bear? Winnie the Pooh? What're you hoping to cash in on that movie coming out? Come on. Let's be real. Now if this was a dog or even a cat I'd say, "Alright, y'know what? Fair play, give the dog the belt if it wins." People love dogs. People will come out to see dogs. But bears are scary, people are scared of bears. They don't want to see a bear on top. A bear would be a bad investment for the promoter. Fine- three way, so the bear doesn't have to lay down, the champ gets his wish to fight the bear, and you protect the belt long term. But he better motherfucking wear that tutu... I'm down for the tutu, that's just good promoting. People like bears wearing fun costumes. Any bear that wears human clothes instantly gets over, it puts people at ease and distracts them from the fact that there's a violent killing machine roaming around in their midst. I'm not sure why we're protecting their bear, though. I mean, do we have long-term booking plans for the bear? Do we have the bear for multiple appearances? Because if we do maybe we should be looking past this match. What's the big picture for the bear? 'Cause I could see, like, a fun forest ranger/bear tag team that'd go for a while (and get the ranger over) or a recurring "beat the bear" challenge or something (that, again, would get someone over). But it always ends with the bear being phased out. The bear is a gimmick. |
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Post by TwistC on Aug 25, 2018 19:57:59 GMT
Fine- three way, so the bear doesn't have to lay down, the champ gets his wish to fight the bear, and you protect the belt long term. But he better motherfucking wear that tutu... I'm down for the tutu, that's just good promoting. People like bears wearing fun costumes. Any bear that wears human clothes instantly gets over, it puts people at ease and distracts them from the fact that there's a violent killing machine roaming around in their midst. I'm not sure why we're protecting their bear, though. I mean, do we have long-term booking plans for the bear? Do we have the bear for multiple appearances? Because if we do maybe we should be looking past this match. What's the big picture for the bear? 'Cause I could see, like, a fun forest ranger/bear tag team that'd go for a while (and get the ranger over) or a recurring "beat the bear" challenge or something (that, again, would get someone over). But it always ends with the bear being phased out. The bear is a gimmick. These are the best posts on the forum by far right now |
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Aug 25, 2018 21:39:14 GMT
Fine- three way, so the bear doesn't have to lay down, the champ gets his wish to fight the bear, and you protect the belt long term. But he better motherfucking wear that tutu... I'm down for the tutu, that's just good promoting. People like bears wearing fun costumes. Any bear that wears human clothes instantly gets over, it puts people at ease and distracts them from the fact that there's a violent killing machine roaming around in their midst. I'm not sure why we're protecting their bear, though. I mean, do we have long-term booking plans for the bear? Do we have the bear for multiple appearances? Because if we do maybe we should be looking past this match. What's the big picture for the bear? 'Cause I could see, like, a fun forest ranger/bear tag team that'd go for a while (and get the ranger over) or a recurring "beat the bear" challenge or something (that, again, would get someone over). But it always ends with the bear being phased out. The bear is a gimmick. You know what? I concede. You're right, its risky putting a bear at the top of a promotion, lord knows they can't be a reliable worker- especially in the winter months. The champ needs to go over, it gives him a win over a fucking bear, and you can always go back to that feud later as a rematch if you really want to.
Hot shot champions are lame, and a bear should never really be pushed as the main guy- or risk him just mauling (literally) everyone and then where are you? Could sink the whole promotion.
What was the original question again?
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Post by Johnny Jett on Aug 25, 2018 22:04:53 GMT
I'm down for the tutu, that's just good promoting. People like bears wearing fun costumes. Any bear that wears human clothes instantly gets over, it puts people at ease and distracts them from the fact that there's a violent killing machine roaming around in their midst. I'm not sure why we're protecting their bear, though. I mean, do we have long-term booking plans for the bear? Do we have the bear for multiple appearances? Because if we do maybe we should be looking past this match. What's the big picture for the bear? 'Cause I could see, like, a fun forest ranger/bear tag team that'd go for a while (and get the ranger over) or a recurring "beat the bear" challenge or something (that, again, would get someone over). But it always ends with the bear being phased out. The bear is a gimmick. You know what? I concede. You're right, its risky putting a bear at the top of a promotion, lord knows they can't be a reliable worker- especially in the winter months. The champ needs to go over, it gives him a win over a fucking bear, and you can always go back to that feud later as a rematch if you really want to.
Hot shot champions are lame, and a bear should never really be pushed as the main guy- or risk him just mauling (literally) everyone and then where are you? Could sink the whole promotion.
What was the original question again?
I dunno, something about logic and ukemi or something? I got lost booking the territory. |
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Post by ripper on Aug 26, 2018 2:17:45 GMT
Logic test: does it shit in the woods?
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Post by Phil Parent on Aug 26, 2018 2:25:22 GMT
The Fire Pro canon offers you three perfectly fine, trained wrestling bears:
- There's Terrible Ted / Kuma / Bear, the one everybody knows.
- Polar Bear from FPA Audience Mode, newly documented, bit of a weakling as far as bear goes.
- PAN-DA, a panda bear native to World. MIGHT be a guy in a costume, those thighs look suspicious.
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Post by Zealot on Aug 26, 2018 2:41:21 GMT
Logic test: does it shit in the woods? This probably involves Discretion and a few rolls of Charmin. The Fire Pro canon offers you three perfectly fine, trained wrestling bears: - There's Terrible Ted / Kuma / Bear, the one everybody knows. - Polar Bear from FPA Audience Mode, newly documented, bit of a weakling as far as bear goes. - PAN-DA, a panda bear native to World. MIGHT be a guy in a costume, those thighs look suspicious. I'm going to go on a limb and say you have already ported all of these over for personal use, yes? We have to keep his options open after all. |
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