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Post by Johnny Jett on Jul 30, 2018 0:07:59 GMT
Alright, so I've been around Fire Pro games for a while, but this is something I'm still working out. I had a question regarding a wrestler's Rank. I understand it has no real mechanical purpose right now (other than giving more audience reaction and match %) and I understand the basic idea of how the ranking system works (E being the lowliest jobber, S being the biggest megastar), but I'm still trying to quantify S Rank.
Like, who were official, Spike-approved S Rank wrestlers in games past? I don't have easy access to my copy of Returns or I'd check to see. I have to assume Baba, Inoki, and Rikidozan, sure. Fine. By the same token, I imagine we probably count Hogan, Flair, Austin, and Rock as S Rank. But where does it end exactly? Where does the difference between S and A lie? Is Savage S Rank or A Rank? Misawa, Taue, Kawada, Kobashi, Muta, Sting, Michaels, Steamboat, Cena, etc. Where does someone cross over from being one of the best into the highest echelons of wrestling stardom? Does it denote a high level of acclaim beyond wrestling? Is it purely from a kayfabe perspective? Where is the line?
I know this has the potential to get very subjective, but I'm just kinda curious, when making my fantasy edits, if I'm making S Rank too prolific by having a handful of people at that level or if you should really only have one or two.
I'm kinda looking at S Rank as denoting that this person was the Ace of a major company at some point or, otherwise, has become a huge crossover star in some other medium. So, say, people like Hogan, Flair, Lesnar, or the Four Pillars are S Rank, but Ricky Steamboat, Nagata, or Styles would peak at A Rank.
What do you think? How do you interpret S Rank?
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Post by ligerbear on Jul 30, 2018 0:16:07 GMT
could be majorly wrong but i feel like S was similar to what you said but like ICON status. A rank was for people who were still top of the card but human. so i think under spike logic the ajpw 4 corners were A rank. i think dudes like Styles and Nagata are B rank(think about how even WWE places styles on a card even when champ.) Steamboat would be B or C. this is all based on how i remember final fire pro made the distinction of identifying people for motr mode. my memory could be hazy.
kobashi and misawa could maybe be S ranks just because they are both retired and in firm legend status
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Post by ligerbear on Jul 30, 2018 0:17:32 GMT
again my memory may be wrong but even flair might not be S rank.
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Post by heelsinc on Jul 30, 2018 2:45:16 GMT
Personally the American wrestlers I think should be S are Hogan, Flair, Cena, and Bruno
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Post by view619 on Jul 30, 2018 2:51:22 GMT
Hogan, Flair and Bruno at S Rank for sure. I think that S rank is for the legendary figures of pro-wrestling, not necessarily the guys who were at the top of the card during major portions of their career. I would point Cena/Rock/Austin at A Rank as they were big names in wrestling at the time, but not really legendary throughout the entire wrestling world like Hogan & Flair were. Michaels and Bret could be A as well, with guys like HHH being relegated to B rank since they were known but not as big as some of their peers.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jul 30, 2018 2:54:58 GMT
Some non-human/fantasy/legendary non-wrestling figures were also S, like the Bear, Mas Oyama, I think Batman & Robin.... Bruce Lee too. Ryoko Tamura.
These values will be important when setting up Fire Promoter.
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Post by Johnny Jett on Jul 30, 2018 3:06:59 GMT
Some non-human/fantasy/legendary non-wrestling figures were also S, like the Bear, Mas Oyama, I think Batman & Robin.... Bruce Lee too. Ryoko Tamura. These values will be important when setting up Fire Promoter. Yeah, that's why I was kinda curious as to how other people interpret it. Because I'm setting up my fantasy world and I'm trying to make the Rank reflect what the game intends it to be rather than just how I personally view characters. So what I'm getting is S Rank should be for the absolute greatest of all time; the people who belong on combat sports' Mt. Rushmore. It should just be for the handful of people you always bring up in those debates. Then A Rank is for the Aces and probably their closest rivals, B is for the nationally-known main eventers and upper midcarders, C is for the midcard guys, D is for rookies, "name" job guys, and so on, and E is for pure enhancement/local talent guys. Cool. That's pretty much how I've been doing things. Just wanted to double check myself because I'm on this kick right now where I'm making my fictional equivalents to the Four Pillars and I was like, "Wait, should they be S Rank or nah?" Good to have that clarification. |
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Post by view619 on Jul 30, 2018 3:09:18 GMT
Some non-human/fantasy/legendary non-wrestling figures were also S, like the Bear, Mas Oyama, I think Batman & Robin.... Bruce Lee too. Ryoko Tamura. These values will be important when setting up Fire Promoter. Should make sense from a hiring perspective as well, when you're spending significantly more on an S Rank edit as opposed to someone else. Basically, book them for your most important yearly PPV only. |
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Post by DakkoN on Jul 30, 2018 3:37:35 GMT
In FPR, the only S ranks are:
Andre the Giant
Antonio Inoki
Bruiser Brody
Dory Funk Jr
Giant Baba
Jumbo Tsuruta
Karl Gotch
Lou Thesz
Rikidozan
Stan Hansen
Ultimate Warrior, Hogan, Bruno and Goldberg would be S to me. Possibly Lesnar and Taker as well.
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Post by TheDenizen on Jul 30, 2018 4:18:21 GMT
In FPR, the only S ranks are: Andre the Giant Antonio Inoki Bruiser Brody Dory Funk Jr Giant Baba Jumbo TsurutaKarl Gotch Lou Thesz Rikidozan Stan Hansen Do you mean Jumbo Taroota?  |
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Post by Zealot on Jul 30, 2018 4:30:33 GMT
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Post by heelsinc on Jul 31, 2018 0:03:48 GMT
In FPR, the only S ranks are: Andre the Giant Antonio Inoki Bruiser Brody Dory Funk Jr Giant Baba Jumbo Tsuruta Karl Gotch Lou Thesz Rikidozan Stan Hansen Ultimate Warrior, Hogan, Bruno and Goldberg would be S to me. Possibly Lesnar and Taker as well. Yea id throw taker into my list as well. I think Warriors run was to short for me to conaider him an s |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 10:18:28 GMT
Hogan, Flair and Bruno at S Rank for sure. I think that S rank is for the legendary figures of pro-wrestling, not necessarily the guys who were at the top of the card during major portions of their career. I would point Cena/Rock/Austin at A Rank as they were big names in wrestling at the time, but not really legendary throughout the entire wrestling world like Hogan & Flair were. Michaels and Bret could be A as well, with guys like HHH being relegated to B rank since they were known but not as big as some of their peers. Austin is the biggest drawing wrestler in the history of North America, and the Rock is literally a movie star. If you're doing a Japan promotion or dividing off different portions of their career, then you could have some versions at A or lower, but if you have one edit for Stone Cold Steve Austin and the Rock, they should be the highest rank. Cena too from what I understand, but I didn't watch during his era. |
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Post by mbxfilms on Jul 31, 2018 11:53:41 GMT
If that is all true then there just isn't enough low ranks to have much diversity either.
But if the Promoter Mode will give god status to anyone S then I don't know. We will have to see how it plays if S is too much or too hard to deal with for your main eventers.
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Post by AndreTheShadow on Jul 31, 2018 13:23:38 GMT
Hogan, Flair and Bruno at S Rank for sure. I think that S rank is for the legendary figures of pro-wrestling, not necessarily the guys who were at the top of the card during major portions of their career. I would point Cena/Rock/Austin at A Rank as they were big names in wrestling at the time, but not really legendary throughout the entire wrestling world like Hogan & Flair were. Michaels and Bret could be A as well, with guys like HHH being relegated to B rank since they were known but not as big as some of their peers. I have to disagree with your assessment of Stone Cold. He's solid 'S' rank. No other wrestler made near as much money for wrestling as Stone Cold did in his peak. |
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