Move craft's potential for creating new types of movesets

I've often thought the Entertainment slot could be expanded from "basically comedy" to "mind games" (which the comedy spots would still fall under) - and the Undertaker is the foremost guy in my mind. Just stuff like "get punched - death stare - opponent backs off" would be a great example of something that could do spirit damage and fall under mind games/intimidation/entertainment without being comedy. Basically it could cover anything that's "mental damage."

Would make sense for a guy like Hogan, too - get punched like three times, getting angry after the third and doing spirit damage. Or you could just do the old "block and punch back" on the third one, but that would be regular old punching damage. Lotta possibilities, though.

Had an idea today kind of pertinent to the idea of using move craft to rig the RNG. I get sick of "jobbers" constantly fighting off stars who try to back grapple them - it makes the supposed star look a bit foolish when they keep getting elbowed by a half dead wimp when they try to go in for their finisher. So I made a Back Counter move that just loops straight back to a new back grapple. It's a bit like a back switch, except instantaneous and nobody moves. The net result is that jobbers will never execute back counter moves, the grapple will just keep starting over until the other guy wins one.

This is the fun bit of move craft for me - trying to come up with completely unintended things to do with it...

Sadly I don't think there's any way to do the same for front grapples. It would work for the MMA mounts, though - by making a "counter" move that just restarts the grapple, and making the actual counters into moves for the attacker, you could use the attacker's logic to control how likely their mounts were to be reversed, bypassing the grapple RNG. That might make it safer to incorporate the MMA positions into pro wrestler logic.

The way I brainstorm edits has been complimented greatly by movecraft. A lot of times I will get inspiration from one move, and base a whole move set off it. For instance, Hiromu’s D maneuver, which is a head scissors whip into a triangle choke, inspired me to make a high flying luchadore that also uses Brazilian jiu jitsu. The gorilla press Go2sleep move from the mods inspired a giant must Thai fighter that combines power moves with sharp elbows and kicks.

Before, the move that kicked things off would just inspire the other moves the edit utilized. But now with movecraft I can create individual moves that are a much more focused representation of the style I’m envisioning. For the jiu jitsu luchadore I can create a deja vu headscissors into a guillotine choke, for example.

I’ve also been thinking about finishing sequences and how it is theoretically possible to create a finishing sequence involving two edits’ signature maneuvers. It would be a lot of work for one match, so you’d probably only want to do it for big title matches, and since you know the ending it would be more for the other people watching the match than yourself. But imagine how much people would be caught off guard by it, especially if they’re familiar with your edits and their finishers.

Move craft has really pulled me back into this game in a huge way. Adding on that I finally took the plunge on the Extended Movelist mod, it's really changed the way I think about my edits.

I have one edit I've been working on the last week or so, that I made to make use of some of the more over the top moves I've snagged from the workshop.

Rather than just chuck on a bunch of these moves at low percentages, I've used conditions to create a rage mechanic for him.
Once he takes a finisher, it unlocks his potential to use a certain move and taunt.
Which when used unlocks basically a second move set of bigger more elaborate moves.

Following that train of thought the amount of Dragon screw variations up on workshop now, got me thinking about gating limb damage strategies behind actual limb damage.
In a similar way to how these things tend to happen actual matches, have one big move that targets the opponents leg.
This in turn unlocks the ability to use additional leg attacks, hidden behind conditions in other move slots. As the damage increases, so does the frequency and variety of leg attacks.

Now this was all possible before with the movelist mod, but with the addition of move craft, the potential for depth genuinely gives me a head ache to think about. 😂

Cheers dude! I used to float around the old forum occasionally, I'm shockingly bad at staying active in the community. 😅

And thank you dude for all the great Judo throws. It finally got me to work on the Judoka idea if been toying around with.

Basically wanted to make him stick closer to actual judo rules, where ground work basically functions as an extension of a throw. So if a throw flows to a grounded state, you have the opportunity to finish your opponent with a submission.

So to simulate that, I gave each of his throws the chance to enter guard position, the bigger the throw the higher the chance. And when he gets into guard, has to make 2 transitions to back mount to get the submission.

He needs some tweaking at this point, but it would be great when we can snag some throws that lead to guard baked into the animation and really open up more options.

Wow, that's an awesome way to simulate standing TKO's!!!! Love that idea! 💡

And more striking submissions is a good thing. I think they can look really brutal.

I still have a few of those from the first month with Move Craft where all I did was create stuff and not actually finish them LOL. Of course, that's still mostly what I do but I have a slightly better upload rate now! 😁




Oh cool!! Welcome back!! 😄 Did you go by the same username?



Thank you for the compliment, it is much appreciated! 😄

I'm very glad that you are into them. I keep wanting to go further into that rabbit hole because like at least 15 of my edits could use them. Heck, like 5-10 could reliably use Oosotogari variations in different parts of their moveset!! I've always had a lot of edits from martial arts backgrounds and I've been on a big judo kick recently so I'm having a lot of fun making these throws.




He needs some tweaking at this point, but it would be great when we can snag some throws that lead to guard baked into the animation and really open up more options.[/quote]

That is a great idea! 💡

And I really like your overall approach of simulating judo rules with throws into mounts/submissions.

I'm not sure if you've seen my recent move from last week: Original Oosotogari Buster M. It transitions into a top mount and is somewhat similar in concept to what you talked about below.

I'm going to try to make more of these - with top mount but also with other positions. Like that Rear Neck Throw judo move from back grapple could definitely logically lead to a back mount position within the move itself.