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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 11, 2019 3:36:57 GMT
In case you didn't see my 4/10 patch thread in the general section, here are the updates for Fire Promoter that are present in Version 2.07.4 that is accessible on Steam as of today: It's really easy to add new wrestlers but I haven't fully tried it yet. The option is highlighted though. I'm really happy about this. Up until this point, I've been "adding" new wrestlers by replacing old ones I had that I wasn't booking. Intrigued about the new feud system. I don't really understand why they would have wrestlers within the same stable develop a rivalry (not that it never happens) but I want to know HOW rivalries start. Maybe through a high match rating or a series of matches between the two edits in a stable or promotion? In any case, the fact that Fire Promoter itself is now recognizing rivalries now makes the mode much more interesting to me. I was pretty much just running storylines in my head (based on my e-fed) but now I can have the mode actually reward rivalries in game.
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Post by wedge10 on Apr 11, 2019 12:34:39 GMT
Yeah, I'm very excited at the prospect of rivalries. This mode is fantastic, but there's a lot more that could be done with it and this is one of the things it needed.
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Post by diegonapoli on Apr 11, 2019 14:01:43 GMT
how can you setup rivalries?
i did not see any option to do so...
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Post by wedge10 on Apr 11, 2019 15:20:03 GMT
how can you setup rivalries? i did not see any option to do so... I'm wondering that myself. Maybe it just occurs automatically.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 14, 2019 9:22:16 GMT
First time I've had a chance to really play since the update: And I got a rivalry! The rivalries occur as story line situations that the game announces through messages. I completed my first event since doing the update and in the "Next Month" screen, I got this screen: I'm pretty sure these two are in the same stable too! I'm going to run an event now and have one of the matches be between them and see how it goes!
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Post by wedge10 on Apr 14, 2019 10:23:34 GMT
How did it go? Did it help with turnout and/or match rating?
I got the same thing for MJF & Kenny Omega yesterday. Then I forgot to follow up with a match between the two this morning.
I wonder if I've cooled the rivalry off by doing this or if it'll still feature if I put them in a match next month.
Also, for those wondering, the two randomly had a rivalry blow up. I hadn't had either of them involved in any of my previous months.
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Post by lyonhard619 on Apr 14, 2019 10:50:05 GMT
Very interesting feature! Really happy to start a new promotion mode again! :)
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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 14, 2019 23:29:55 GMT
How did it go? Did it help with turnout and/or match rating? Is answered the same as what you said: Then I forgot to follow up with a match between the two this morning. LOL I totally forgot to follow up too! Thing is that the next show was set to be my December - Year 3 show and I wanted to have a big cross-promotional show with one of the top promotions. So I wasn't able to book two of my wrestlers against each other. And after the show, into January - Year 4, another promotion asked me to do a cross-promotional show and I said yes! So I'm hoping I didn't no-sell the budding rivalry! I wonder if I've cooled the rivalry off by doing this or if it'll still feature if I put them in a match next month. Yeah, same here. I'll update when I find out. Also, for those wondering, the two randomly had a rivalry blow up. I hadn't had either of them involved in any of my previous months. So the way my two edits are involved? They are 6-man Tag Team Champions together!! Must be some backstage heat or something! 😁
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Post by sohodoobsz on Apr 15, 2019 0:25:06 GMT
how can you setup rivalries? i did not see any option to do so... I'm wondering that myself. Maybe it just occurs automatically. Pretty sure it does. After one event Kojima & Rocky Romero now have a rivalry nd every match where they face each other is now a grudge match.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 20, 2019 8:36:12 GMT
So...I got another feud message at the start of a new month. Laser and Geyser are heating up the industry with their feud. I'm encouraged to book them on the next show! One problem: Laser has been on a Training Expedition for like 6 months and will continue to be for another few months! UGH! Does this mean that feuds in Fire Promoter are chosen at random? It's not like I booked Laser on a recent show. How would they even choose him to be in a feud given that he's on expedition? Edit: I let Spike know in the Tweets below:
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Post by DM_PSX on Apr 20, 2019 10:23:27 GMT
Like I said in a previous post to you, it's like they naively program everything instead of doing the proper sanity checks. When you program, you can almost NEVER just outright do things. You have to ask questions to make sure those things will work so bad things don't happen.
The below is pseudo code like last time, but I wrote it up in the 3 minutes it took my ramen to cook.
//Pretend FindRival is a function of a wrestler object //returns TRUE or FALSE bool FindRival() { Wrestler Me = this; //A reference to ourselves Wrestler Rival = null;
//get the first wresler in the promotion's roster list Rival = Me.Promotion.Roster.GetFirstWrestler(); bool RivalFound = false; while (FALSE == RivalFound) { //are we out of wrestlers? //break out of this loop if (Rival == null) break;
//is this me? NEXT! else if (Rival == Me) continue; //Are they injured? NEXT! else if (TRUE == Rival.IsOnExcursion()) { Rival = Me.Promotion.Roster.GetNextWrestler(); continue; } //Are they injured? NEXT! else if (TRUE == Rival.IsInjured()) { //get the next wrestler in the list Rival = Me.Promotion.Roster.GetNextWrestler(); continue; }
//insert other sanity checks //if none of those conditions triggered //we must have found our rival else { Me.Rival = Rival; return true; } }
//if we got this far, we didn't find a suitable rival return false; }
Reminds me of the bug a few months ago where wrestlers would target an invalid wrestler after certain eliminations, and then freeze in place for the duration of the match. SANITY CHECK. Is that wrestler even still valid? Don't just naively assign things.
Skyrim did something similar early on where a lot of scripters would take gold away from the player in conversation scripts that were a part of quests by just directly writing it out in the script. They never checked if the player even had that much gold to give. Players would end up with negative gold values. Instead they should have had a function to modify gold that did the following things. 1 - Make sure you didn't get more than the maximum amount of allowable gold (so you don't go over the max value of a 32 bit integer and wrap to negative numbers in this case negative 3 billion). 2 - Make sure you had at least enough gold to remove.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 20, 2019 20:00:11 GMT
It's very frustrating that these things aren't checked.
I don't know if it's a question of no testing actually being done across the board after changes or the programmers not asking the right questions about what could go wrong ... which is seemingly everything!
I hope that Spike fixes this but also learns from this. Rivalries are already confusing. And it's frustrating that the second rivalry I got, after playing for 8 months since they were introduced, is impossible to follow-up on.
Thank you for the the example of the code and I hope you enjoyed your ramen 🍜
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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 30, 2019 5:08:08 GMT
Two very annoying things happened last night to me in Fire Promoter involving rivalries.
1) The game announced yet another rivalry that included a wrestler who was on a Training Expedition.
2) The outcome of a rivalry appears to be relatively meaningless.
So a second rivalry was announced and I was actually able to book it! After either finishing booking the show or right before I started the show, I got a message saying "The fans are really excited" or something like that. It said that more fans came to the arena as a result. That appeared to be the ONLY result.
Because guess what happened? The two wrestlers in the rivalry got a 100% rating on their match! Amazing, right? You'd think this would continue the rivalry and reward me with a cool cut scene? Nope. The whole rivalry was dropped. I didn't get any further messages after the event. Apparently the rivalry is a behind the scenes thing that very quickly culminates in just one match with slightly increased attendance. And then, no matter what happens in that match, it ends. I didn't get any other messages related to it after the match.
Granted, I didn't try to put them back into a match on the next show but why should I if the result wasn't acknowledged and I didn't get another graphic discussing the rivalry? It really seemed like an afterthought.
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Post by faulknasty on Apr 30, 2019 6:06:19 GMT
Two very annoying things happened last night to me in Fire Promoter involving rivalries. 1) The game announced yet another rivalry that included a wrestler who was on a Training Expedition. 2) The outcome of a rivalry appears to be relatively meaningless. So a second rivalry was announced and I was actually able to book it! After either finishing booking the show or right before I started the show, I got a message saying "The fans are really excited" or something like that. It said that more fans came to the arena as a result. That appeared to be the ONLY result. Because guess what happened? The two wrestlers in the rivalry got a 100% rating on their match! Amazing, right? You'd think this would continue the rivalry and reward me with a cool cut scene? Nope. The whole rivalry was dropped. I didn't get any further messages after the event. Apparently the rivalry is a behind the scenes thing that very quickly culminates in just one match with slightly increased attendance. And then, no matter what happens in that match, it ends. I didn't get any other messages related to it after the match. Granted, I didn't try to put them back into a match on the next show but why should I if the result wasn't acknowledged and I didn't get another graphic discussing the rivalry? It really seemed like an afterthought. I had read somewhere recently that all the rivalry does is give you an audience boost if you book it and that it was only for one match. So I'm gonna take that as confirmation.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Apr 30, 2019 6:56:25 GMT
Yeah, a very sad confirmation that is all it seems to do 😭
I hadn't seen that information before so I was REALLY disappointed when the rivalry ended so soon. It's bad enough they take two completely random wrestlers that never actually needed to have faced off before (especially when sometimes one is on Expedition!), but the fact it's a "one and done" just makes it seem really pointless. Like there are better ways to give us an audience boost by rewarding our booking. This is just pure randomness and doesn't even help us sometimes when one wrestler is unavailable.
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